Is the bible the "Word of God" - Page 3

Justavoice · (#51 (**permalink**))

Enlighten me, who is warren buffet ?.

C · (#52 (**permalink**))

Apologies if I touch on anything already covered here (I'm comin in late and haven't got time to read the whole thread right now)

Firstly - I take it you have never personally studied the Bible in depth? If you did I'm sure you would find that the many instances of fulfilled prophecy prove it is not simply a book written by men

Secondly - The Bible is internally harmonious despite being transmitted throught around 40 different people of differing backgrounds over a period of around 4000 years. Although not stand alone proof, this points to one author

Thirdly, where it does touch on Science, it is accurate - despite being written by people who couldn't have known one way or another e.g. How could Job - around 4000 years ago,know that the earth was 'hanging on (or over) nothing' i.e. Floating in space? (Job 26:7)Also how could the ProphetIsaiah nearly 3000 years ago know the earth was a circle or sphere (Isaiah 40:22) when contempories had ideas such as it being flat and at the bottom of a box which is the universe!!! (Babylonions I think)

Answer: God gave them this information as he created the universe and so know these things.

BTW - if you are thinking 'what about 6 days for creation' it is not talking about literal days. The originalHebrewlanguage allows for the term 'day' to mean an undified period of time (as in when someone says "well in my day.....blah blah blah" )

The whole thing with Christians persecuting Gallileo is actually not really true. The Catholic Church did this, and as an organisation they had proven by their works they were not truly Christian.

@ Chinkkie- Look into these things a bit deeper, and without predudice and hopefully you will start to see the Bible is inspired by God.

BTW - Are you a Muslim?? I ask becausenotice that the quote you gave from that interview is from something by Ahmeed Deedat (spelling??). He has some interesting things to say, but I've also noticed a massive bias and the tendency to be 'selective with the truth'(or sometimes just plain wrong) in his publications. If you are a Muslim, it is interesting to note that the Koran calls the Torah and the Injil (Law and Gospel) 'Books of Wisdom' and encourages readers to check them.

If not then that'll be of little relevance to you!! ;-)) Regardless tho - look into these things deeper. If you beleive in GOD - why not pray about it? To quote Jesus "keep on seeking and you will find".

C.

Peacemaker · (#53 (**permalink**))

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Firstly - I take it you have never personally studied the Bible in depth? If you did I'm sure you would find that the many instances of fulfilled prophecy prove it is not simply a book written by men. Phenomena tickles the human mind, then people explain it away attributing it to some unknown force.

Secondly - The Bible is internally harmonious despite being transmitted throught around 40 different people of differing backgrounds over a period of around 4000 years. Although not stand alone proof, this points to one author Hmmmm.

Thirdly, where it does touch on Science, it is accurate - despite being written by people who couldn't have known one way or another e.g. How could Job - around 4000 years ago,know that the earth was 'hanging on (or over) nothing' i.e. Floating in space? (Job 26:7)Also how could the ProphetIsaiah nearly 3000 years ago know the earth was a circle or sphere (Isaiah 40:22) when contempories had ideas such as it being flat and at the bottom of a box which is the universe!!! (Babylonions I think)

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People weren'tthat ignorant back then you know. You be suprised to see what ideas people come up with when they actually have the time to think.

Answer: God gave them this information as he created the universe and so know these things.See what I mean, this is what happens when people don't think.

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BTW - if you are thinking 'what about 6 days for creation' it is not talking about literal days. The originalHebrewlanguage allows for the term 'day' to mean an undified period of time (as in when someone says "well in my day.....blah blah blah" ) Hmmmm

The whole thing with Christians persecuting Gallileo is actually not really true. The Catholic Church did this, and as an organisation they had proven by their works they were not truly Christian. What do you think the second beast came from? Same entity baby.

@ Chinkkie- Look into these things a bit deeper, and without predudice and hopefully you will start to see the Bible is inspired by God.

Also Chinkkie, look into itwithout emotion, but use logic and reason....and then you'll become one of MINE **Evil stare**

To quote Jesus "keep on seeking and you will find". Yes in the most unexpected places to boot, like in the centre of the brain.

Justavoice · (#54 (**permalink**))

@C

You keep believing brother. Don't make "Peacemaker" phase you 1 minute.

BTW - if you are thinking 'what about 6 days for creation' it is not talking about literal days. The originalHebrewlanguage allows for the term 'day' to mean an undified period of time (as in when someone says "well in my day.....blah blah blah" ) Hmmmm

A passage of scripture in the bible says thatone day is as a thousand years to God and a thousand years as an evening past.

Notice when God told Adam, that in the day he ate of thefruit he would surely die. Adam, ate the fruit, but he did not die that same day.

Notice no man as lived past a thousand years, even the oldest man recorded in scripture Methuselah, did not see a thousand years, for thenhe would have seen one of God's day.

So in esence when God made the heaven's and the Earth, he may have taken our day, or it could have been God's day.

When God had said "Let there be light", God was not speaking of the Sun, in Genesis, for the Sun he hung in the heavens on the fourth day.

So the question we must ask is, was it a Solar day or God's day !. I believe it is not beyond God's power to create what he desires in our solar day. He's God

I just say all this to say, who is not using the brain in the middle of their heads Peacemaker. You sit in an easy place to make judgement of others, while you think yourself to seem that little bit smarter.

Bredder Tukoma · (#55 (**permalink**))

@C

Dont just beieve base your belief on knowledge. The ancient Egpytians and othre cultures we FULLY aware that the Earth was not flat, 3000 years ago or even 6000 years ago. Reason the egyptian calendar was founded on the movement of a star(sirius) that has a 1400 year cycle. Also the circumforance of the great pyramid at the base to the top is the same ratio as the circumference of the polar caps to the equator. Doesnt this uggest a working knowledge of the nature of the Earth its shape and how the stars and planets move. Do not be drawn into the myth that their were no scientists 6000 years ago. If you want more info I can provide that. maybe then you might believe. Honestly 1 day to God is a 1000 years. What day is that then. What planet are you basing a day on. Is it special planet that God has for himself that takes a 1000 years to spin around (a special Sun presumbably). What is Gods day by the way...? why does he need a day , one assumes if God has days he has his own special years/weeks months... I could go on and on and on.. I forgot that your lots job.
(Religious Zealots)

@peacemaker

Are you a fireman by trade?

Peacemaker · (#56 (**permalink**))

Justavoice wrote:

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@C

You keep believing brother. Don't make "Peacemaker" phase you 1 minute.

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Certainly don't make me phase you, you'll be as weak minded as the rest of the addicts to let mere words on a screenbother you. Remember you make you feel not me.. Act, or re-act. Those that act get to places they want andthose that re-act get lead to places, in most cases a place where they belong, but don't like.

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I just say all this to say, who is not using the brain in the middle of their heads Peacemaker. You sit in an easy place to make judgement of others, while you think yourself to seem that little bit smarter.

Don'tpretend thatyou don't make judgementssince everybody needs to do it to function in the world...I'm also aware of the fact that I'm imperfect like everybody else down here. But I know how to improve, via using my human experience as it's supposed be used, and that is to experience, to learn and certainly use itto keep me amused. Not to live my life according to some book, and thus throwaway myresponsibity of myown thoughts and actions to some unknown force.God if it existed it wouldn't want a bunch of automatics that think alike and that can't do anything for themselves.

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Most people can't do anythingalone anyway, so it's comfortable to just adopt something and to follow and be lead, how is that going to help anyone grow for themselves?, why do you think the Earth has the same problems that it had thousands of years ago?. People want it easy, but rarely do the work to make easy. ButI understand that it's apart of the human condition. But if you enjoy being told what to think, and how to act, keep on doing it, I'm surethe result of that will be exacting and as rewarding as the work you've put in personally.

Here's a question,when you die, you're going to have all your sins and faults still with you. What makes you think the minute that you die and get to heaven that they're all going simply just vanish, because the makeup of your character isn't going to vanish. You'll be the same there as you are here, therefore you'll be imperfect. If you think someone else is going to take away your faults and your problematic mental/emotional idiosyncracies, your earthly addictions,then you'll be disappointed. It's not likeyour personalitychangesor vanishes when you're dreaming, so don't expect death to be much different. Maybe a person's dreams are just a glimpse of what a person faces when they die. It wouldonly be fair for it tobe different for everyone.

"By what judgment you judge others,
so shall you be judged after death"

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One of the better quotes around. Don't forget that means good judgements as well not just the negative ones, which people love to focus on for some reason. It's probably more stimulating to the mind methinks.

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Remember this, those that create a us and them divide on Earth are the ones closer to anyevil. And there is only one thing that doesn't do that and it ain't no book or religion, new age or otherwise. Yet you people want to perpetuate that nonsense for whatever desire I don't know, maybe selfishness, but it ain't for the betterment of people that's for sure, don't you think it's gone on long enough now?

But hey, don't let me phase you either, because those that dothink for themselves tend to repel those that don't. For a good reason too.

Peacemaker · (#57 (**permalink**))

mansamusa wrote:

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@C

@peacemaker

Are you a fireman by trade?

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Not yet, but I've actually applied.

Justavoice · (#58 (**permalink**))

Certainly don't make me phase you, you'll be as weak minded as the rest of the addicts to let mere words on a screen bother you. Remember you make you feel not me.. Act, or re-act. Those that act get to places they want and those that re-act get lead to places, in most cases a place where they belong, but don't like.

Mere words, so why do you feel the need to defend yourself with so much words then Peacemaker against weak minded addicts.

Just like I said, you think yourself better, and because C and myself believe in God, this empowers you even more to think you are better. Yet you have no answer that could quash what I believe. And I know without a doubt you cannot quash what I know.

So all I'm saying is you sit on the side that favors you,, because it is the majority and the majority does not believe in God. Who then is the weak minded ?. You who are with the majority or me who will never fit in, because my thinking is with a minority ?.

Your manner is condescending, as if you have some better answer, when you and I know full well you have none.

Was you asking me about perfection andhow / whether an unpure thing can be made pure ? are you asking the sheep ?

@mansamusa
The bible does not say that 1 day is a thousand years to God. Read what I wrote again and what is in the scripture. 1 day is "as" a thousand years. Now for you to go whining on about what planet is this and blah blah blah. Shows that you ain't ready. God does not live in time, where there are seconds and hours, he lives in Eternity, where there is no beginning nor ending. Time is a constraint made for you and I.

Paul the Apostle rightly wrote, that not many wise after the flesh. For you are all clued up on the the Sun and moon and polar caps, but what does this knowledge do for you ?. Wise after the flesh mansamusa methinks you are.

Bredder Tukoma · (#59 (**permalink**))

@justavoice

Knowing about the Sun and the polar caps means that I do not base my beliefs on IGNORANCE my friend. C was ignorant to the FACT that Ancient people knew that the Earth was round. This is carved in stone. Dispute what you may. Remember it was u and your friend that said that a 1000 years is a day to GOD. i quote "was it a Solar day or God's day !" Thus you are attributing human conceptions of time to God. You said God has a day noe ur saying He/She is beyond time. Make up your mind.

What does quoting another persons writings (European and Roman scripture at that) do for you. What does believing ridiculous fairy tales 'such as a man eating a fruit and condenming mankind' do for you.

Finally I like the way u didnt dispute that the ancients had thorough knowledge of the nature of the Earth. Even though your Bible hides the truth. And please answer me in your own words do not quote scripture to me. Or have you no originality of mind...

Peacemaker · (#60 (**permalink**))

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Mere words, so why do you feel the need to defend yourself with so much words then Peacemaker against weak minded addicts.

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One, I'm way way way more intelligent than you so if you think that's alot of words then you shouldmaybe read more. Decent books of course. And most importantly I'm the oneattacking not defending.

Just like I said, you think yourself better, and because C and myself believe in God, this empowers you even more to think you are better. Yet you have no answer that could quash what I believe. And I know without a doubt you cannot quash what I know.

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I leave people in ignorance mate. I wouldn't want to change your mind.

I actually like the world how it is.

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So all I'm saying is you sit on the side that favors you,, because it is the majority and the majority does not believe in God. Who then is the weak minded ?. You who are with the majority or me who will never fit in, because my thinking is with a minority ?.

Wrong, the majority believe in God, especially those belonging the ethnic minorities. I'm the minority especially amongst that group, hence why I am smarter than you. And people wonder why some races don't do as well as others. It might have something to do with believing in utter crap.

Your manner is condescending, as if you have some better answer, when you and I know full well you have none.

I wasn't planning of giving you an answer, never saidI was going to either. You seem to think you're supposed to be given answers. WORK for it. Oh is that you sitting in judgement of me? ahh yes it is. How fickle is the Christian mind? You're waste of oxygen.

Was you asking me about perfection andhow / whether an unpure thing can be made pure ? are you asking the sheep ?

Is that your way of not answering the question? too tough for you was it?.. You're not sheep either, sheep have some good use to humans, you however don't..You didn't even understand the question? You haven't a chance in hell of understanding the answer. This is why the bible is for you. Enjoy your stay in ignorance..

@mansamusa
The bible does not say that 1 day is a thousand years to God. Read what I wrote again and what is in the scripture. 1 day is "as" a thousand years. Now for you to go whining on about what planet is this and blah blah blah. Shows that you ain't ready. God does not live in time, where there are seconds and hours, he lives in Eternity, where there is no beginning nor ending. Time is a constraint made for you and I.

Paul the Apostle rightly wrote, that not many wise after the flesh. For you are all clued up on the the Sun and moon and polar caps, but what does this knowledge do for you ?. Wise after the flesh mansamusa methinks you are.

The bible is the book of the flesh. You pray to a man's dead flesh on a cross, You make a image of god in the flesh. You need another round in the flesh.

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Heck even in church you pretend to eat Jesus's flesh, wise after the flesh indeed.

Justavoice · (#61 (**permalink**))

mansumasa

Still you misquote what I originally wrote, so for me the argument is done.

C was also not ignorant of the fact that people knowing the earth was round, he just attacked the topic from a biblical angle, and so you thought to cut him down through your knowledge from other books that people knew this anyway.

However still in the book of Daniel we know, that the peoples of Babylon studied astronomy, and yet Daniel's God made him to exceed past his peers in the study of Astronomy.

So for you to have the attitude that knowledge of God makes one stupid, to natural studiesshows me how closed minded you are. Who is to say that it wasn't Daniel who showed the ancients that the earth was round.

Wasn't it wise men who studied the stars that knew that Jesus was born ? Saying simply "we have seen his star".

If you ask me, those men surpassed men now in terms of knowledge of what is natural and what is spiritual. Forinstance men now are all natural, knowing nothing of themself.

In Egypt, what you wrote about the pyramidsmay be right, I don't know, not studied that in depth into it.. yetI understand inone particular pyramid it is written "Man know thyself". This as more to do with man spiritually, than just having an understanding of the stars.

continue to misquote what I say, you do this because you think your clever.