IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCIFUL...


According to various dictionaries, the Etymology of the word "exist" is as follows...

exist (ex-sist) => L., existere or exsistere - to step out, or step forth; to emerge or appear; ex(out, out from) + sistere(to cause to stand, to set, put, place...)

If God "exists"...then where did He step out, step forth, emerge or appear from? What did the Originator, in the Beginning, stand out from so that He could be said to "exist"?

Can anything "exist" without having some Form or Manifestation - which is distinct fromTHAT which it "emerged" or "steppped out" from - by which its EXISTence can be demonstrated or proven?

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RM

The moon orbits the earth, the earth orbits the sun, the solar system orbits around the galaxy, and the galaxy travels around the universeand these events can be timed down to the second, so something has to be controlling thisuniverse. And it's clear to me that there's a set of laws in place to keep things stable, some force or thing exists, holding things in check...but a god with it's own consciousness, I wouldn't think so.

If you think about God then what is God but your own thoughts? What separates one religion from another is only the peoples subconscious ideals and beliefsof that God. What God is and how he is, is nothing but what peoplethink he is,ought to be or wants Him to be. God certainly is a personal thing. Goddefinately is different for each person. Why else would people defend him or worship it, when in reality people are just defending and worshiping their ego's ideas and beliefs of god..In what other way could you have over 5,000 fractions of the Christian religion, so many different buddhist sects, various spiritual teachings and cults out there.?

I'm confident in saying that whatever is believed or percieved as being a god isn't. Looking at the planet and the rest of the workings of the universe, whatever is in control doesn't know the difference between good and evil, orpositive or negative. I also would say that for the greater good to manifest, that a great evil has to take place before hand, and change for the better never happens without bad or evil teaching you the lessons..Anessecary thing for people to evolve.

Besides, if I was all knowing and all powerful, the last thing I'd want to do look after the universe personally. I'd probably set up a system which would look after everything itself, something which works off the subconscious of humanity...giving people what they truely desire with the good and the bad included..


Finally if a god does exist, itseemthat it doesn't want to appear that way.

@Seventh angel

I thought that you logically proved that God exists in an earlier thread. You made some good points and nearly even convinced me! lol

Why then do you pose the question in this form when you have already addressed it?

eixtence of GOd?............sontines ................me have to wonder.......... yes i believe GOD exists if not things wouldn't come to existence but me just have to wonder about the origins of GOD ,

as far as we humans knowwe guess things come into existence on its own...... since we dont know how the universe was created or how GOD ITSELF came into being

everything which has a begining has a cause so i guess GOD dont need a cause to exist he always have been there unaffected by time........

so The only logical option we humans have is if the universe is creeated by sonting that thing is GOD as we human call him..confused2

that mean GOD itself can exist on it's own...........ohhhhhhhhhh forget it,me have aheadick ................... (( lol))

lol...

I really appreciated this one. Thanx.

not at all.

Assuming that when you say "God" you mean the Creator of all things, it's a no-brainer.


The existance of a Creator or Originator should never be in doubt because OUR very existance is enough proof to defend the existance of a higher being.

Rather the question should focus on the INVOLVMENT of that Creator in the affairs of His creatures.

In essence God has not revealed himself to mankind. What is evident is the emergency of his attributes which have manifested in the world of the seen (physical world). The attributes being eg Creator (so you know Creator from studying creation), Sustainer (known through looking at how He sustains his creation), The Merciful (By looking at how kind and loving He has been to His creation), Wise (you look how through His wisdom he runs the affairs of the universe), Harsh in punishment (you lok how he has dealt with the unjust people of the past the present and the future and how has created hell for the unjuust) etc.

Ofcourse to know him through those avenues requires consciousness of many levels. The knowing of a primary school kid on how a day merges into night is alot different from the knowing of someone like Einstein. So the knowledge of God is also of many levels depending on the consciousness of the person who wishes to know, and the alertness of the mind, and clarity of thought.

That is why those among those who wish to trade the spiritual path atleast in the Muslim faith spend alot of their time clearing their minds and keeping them alert.

In simple terms to gain the certtainty of existence of God you need to embark on a journey and discover for yourself. However, the inability of someone to prove to himself with certainty that God exists does not necessarily mean God does not exist. It simply says that the person has failed seeing Him, finding Him, or can't be bothered to search for Him.

Inability of a man in the streets to locate electrons doesn't necessarily mean electrons do not exist.

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