I have been doing some soul searching, and after reading a post here on this forum concerning the Sudanese women who were raped by arab militants. It has confirmed my belief that religion is destroying humanity, but we (meaning Blacks) are suffering most of all. Arab's through their statements concerning blacks being nothing more than beasts, infuriates me.

I posted on another forum, that the struggles of Black nations begins with Noah, because it is true. Most people, especially those who follow aspectsof the Hebrew version of Genesis as an explanationtosupport the continuation of slaveryagainst colored nations. Jewish texts is filled with this kind of propaganda. Honestly, do you really believe that one man non-black could father three separate colored nations? That is the biggest lie I have ever heard, and yet at one time I bought into it. It may be that he having more than one wife, also kept a woman that was a slave. And this woman status therefore immediately made her children subject to servitude. Now this is what the Hebrew text implies. That he deliberately chose a bondwoman, so that the curse of the Kainites might prevail beyond the flood. That being caught with his draws down by his son justified him cursingHam's children for doing nothing wrong? Yet, many blacks caught up in religions which promote this story as truth, refuse to acknowledge the message which claims their nothing more than slaves. And under most laws, even those of built around Hebrewism, do not consider slaves as having rights. And those doctrines that speak of slaves are very limited.


Now there has to be something about us they fear. Could it be that even incertain so-called uninspired texts, it claims that the end of iniquity shall come through Black nations, not white. For one of their religious texts along with certain Islamic prophecies claim that the last war, and the end shall come when a black leader shall rise up against the Arabs (Kafirs).A Jewish text claims, the end shall come through a black nation. This is why they don't want us to have power or influence in this world. And this is the reason why Isay our problem is an universal problem and not localized. Also I don't believe unification can come through religion.

which jews speak of a black nation bring forth the end, werent the first jews black then the pale jews came?

O and the curse was upon canaan, not on Cush or Mizraim or phut, just canaan, it didnt say the seed of canaan was cursed, just because my father is cursed doesnt mean i have to be,GOD shows mercry unto thousands of them that keep His commandments, but visits the iniquity unto the fathers even the third and fourth generation of them that hates Him....so the curse really didnt apply to his seeds or his brothers..just canaan... and if so it doesnt say how long they were cursed, God forgives and He can make well for anyone through Jesus, we are purged from our sins...so people today dont have to be cursed... God made it this way

and it really didnt say that canaans children would be cursed, but if so they would be sidon, heth, jebusite, amorite, girgasite, hivite, arkite, sinite, arvadite, zemarite, hamathite

which there is no mention of them being accursed because of there father

and noah wasnt white or non black and yes through God it is possible that he could father nations, Abraham did it

Yes is the simple answer..



We're 400 to 800 years behind on where we should be because of it.

I have heard the argument that only Canaan was cursed but I am not so sure ???

It strikes me as interesting that during Noah's nakedness, Ham recieved his curse and to me the curse would follow to all them that would come out of his loins.

Then if you notice during Jesus time of shame, I see a kind of restoration happening, where the Ethiopian is called out of the crowd to bear the cross of Jesus. I wonder if this is divine providence.

I believe that looking around the world, I wonder if the curse of Noah is not in effect. Our people seem to be servant to all other nations of the world. It hasn't always been so though.

As for the three peoples coming out of Noah, there is nothing to say they were different colours they could have all been the same colour. Japheth according to the scriptures split off from the rest of the brethren, and it is said that he lived up in the caucaus mountain area. And so maybe it is them aclimatizing to the weather, nose becoming narrow etc.. that then brought the distinction in colour etc.. Where there is less Sun, less melanin who knows ?. The same again with Ham and Shem, who moved about in the same area. Infact during Israels 400 years in Egypt they increased in number, I believe they did this by intermarriage amongst the Egyptians.

Jews / Hebrews were more likely to be a black people than the people you see calling themselves Jew now.

I believe those in the secular world wish to usereligion as a scapegoat for the evils of this world.

A people are destroyed by their lack of knowledge about the feelings of fellow human beings. If people for once sat back and thought the hurt they would cause on fellow human beings before they undertake any actions we wouldn't be in such a mess.

if a rapist decided to put himself in the position of the recipient of the rape he would think twice before committing such crime. Either these people chose not to put themselves on the position of the victim or they live under an illusion that it would never happen to them or to someone they love. which is all a form of ignorance, understanding your personal weakness in relation to the Might of your creator is a very useful knowledge to have.

And if these people were truely followers of the religions they claim to belong to they would be aware of the teachings of not doing unto others what you wouldn't like others to do unto you.

I personally believe it is the lack of religion which is a cause of destruction of our people. Because religion is there as a means for a man to have a good relationship with his creator and no man who wants a good relationship with his creator would want to annoy his creeator by causing harm to the creation of his creator. Whatever small that harm may appear to be. Loving fellow creations is a part of loving your Creator.

No religion tells its people to go and rape people from other races atleast i can tell you islam does not do that.

Some people go forward and talk about religious leaders abusing their position and if religious leaders abuse their position this makes all relgions bad. My answer is any good thing is open to abuse let's look at medicine (science as an example), a body of knowledge established to save lives yet it has produced certain Doctors who have used this very knowledge to become serial killers remember Harold Shipman. Now just because certain Doctors are serial killers it does not mean medicine is destroying hummanity. It has many benefits if followed properly and it can be highly dangerous if abused. Same goes with religion certain religious leaders abuse their positions out of ignorance and some out of wickedness but that does not dismiss the true teachings of religion if pursued properly and followed properly.



Few years ago we had communism asan alternative socio economic system which was supposedly an alternative to religion and in some cases against religion look what we had, we had Paul Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse Tung killing millions of poor innocent people to remain in power. Did Karl Marx really teach these communist leaders to go and kill innocent peasants?

To conclude what is really detsorying hummanity is ignorance of these human beings about their creator and this ignorance manifests its form in the form of rebelion against the creator.Greed, hatred, anger, cowardness, love for power, love for show etc are all fruits of rebellion against the creator. And we have all been victims of these things some to a small extent and others to a large extent.



Thank you for bringing up this subject.

flow-uncleveri agree all that you worte is true

So the Church is failing black people?

The curse of the sons of Ham is found in other Jewish sources, if I didn't point this out in my post then I should have. Other Jewish sources claim that all of Ham's sons were cursed not because of Noah but because they sought to fight against the Lords of Heaven to put off the curse of Noah from amongst them, particularly the sons of Canaan. Noah's curse was that Canaan would be a servant of servants. In other words, Canaan was lowest of servants and would serve in the tents of Japheth and Shem because he left not the territory given to Shem. Ham's prophecy against Canaan was that he should be rooted out of the land (removed) because he violated the vow to depart to his perpective territory which was west of Lybia. This is backed up when the children of jacob with the mixed multitude were entering into the land; they were commanded by Moses (legislator) to destroy all the children of Canaan. What might have prevented them from doing so was the fact that many sons of Jacob had taken Canaanite women as wives and concubines (this sin is a trangression recorded in the 'Books of the Partriarchs). If they were to keep this commandment it would have resulted in the annihilation of many children of Japheth and Shem without mercy.

Recall the verses in the bible that spoke the mixed multitude. These were they that were deemed non-Jewish modern term because of their links to Ham, not just that of Canaan. These were also those of Abraham concubines who were considered non-Hebrews and outcast. Many of the Semites were excluded due to their lineage tracing to Ham. Lot children Ammon and Moab, Abraham's children by Hamite women, Ishmael, Midian, Zimram (Zumzims), Jokshan (Joctan the son of Eber ?), Medan, Ishbak, and Shuah (the same whose daughter marries Judah, called Aliyath (Jasher)).

Jokshan-sons of Eber and Keturah (third consort of Abraham) children were Sheba and Dedan. Dedan's children were Asshur, Letush, and Leum (Leom). Reference found in Ge. 26:3. Which means that Jokshan married Raamah of the children of Cush, therefore Raamah is a female and not male, since Raamah is said to be the father of Sheba and Dedan as well. Reference found in 1 Chr.1:9. I would post more but as you can see it is getting quite lengthy and I am having trouble with posting to this forum. So I will desist from posting further texts. I hope you see the problem that the bible present in regards to what I have posted.

Then how do you account for the massive slayings of people through movements like the Crusades, and those of the Islamic Jihad. Seems as though they knew whom they served so much that they were willing to die and kill for their beliefs, and they are still doing just that. What about the Sudanese what happened to their Christian God when the Arabs were raping and terrorizing their territories? What about the blacks who converted to Christianity to be free of slavery, just to find that the laws were altered to exclude them regardless of their beliefs. In short, I don't buy it.

The real question you should be asking is am I right with God right now. We can go on for days and days wondering why people are dying and the world is in such misery. God gave people a conscientious to use and some just chose to ignore what they know to be right and true. That leads them to commit such attrocities. These type of things even occured in the Bible so it shouldn't be so disheartening. Keep the faith and everything else will work itself out.

@Priestessofon

Your bias to the Bible leads you to make mistakes.

Josephs two sons in the bible, Ephraim and Manasseh, were children whose mother was Egyptian and thus from the line of Ham. Did Jacob hold back is blessing from these two Son's. Were they not considered those of the tribes of Israel.

Didn't Joseph marry a black woman who was called the Priestess of On. Weren't the tribes of Israel back in those days likened to the Egyptians by historians of that time.

It is why Moses was mistaken for an Egyptian when leaving out of Egypt. The very fact that one of the miracles God showed Moses, is hands becoming White as Leprous, not saying that his hands had become Leprous, but "White as". What colour then was Moses hands before that ?.

Judah had sons whose line again came from Ham, a good many died off, but one was left. This happened prior to there Sojourning in Egypt.

Israel became a great multitude by mixing with other nations, prior to Moses commandment it would not have been deemed a sin to marry into other nations. For up until the law there was nothing to say that they could not mix. Or the very fact that Jacob blessed the Union between Joseph and the Priestess of ON and them being recieived into the tribe of Israel would have been a sin ?

Indeed the daughter of Jacob that was raped by one of Ham's decendents, was allowed by Jacob to go ahead and marry his daughter. Only that they had to be circumcised to appease the matter.

Your seeing some type of racism in the bible that is simply not there. Racism with the bible came with European preachers of it.

Justavoice wrote:
[quote]I have heard the argument that only Canaan was cursed but I am not so sure ???

Read your Bible, Ham was the one who committed the crime but it was his soon cannan who recieved the curse (punishment)
Genesis chapter 9

22: And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father(Noah), and told his two brothers outside.

23: Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it upon both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness.

24: When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him,

25: he said, "Cursed be Canaan; a slave of slaves shall he be to his brothers."

26: He also said, "Blessed by the LORD my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave."

27: God enlarge Japheth, and let him dwell in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave."
This does not justify black people being slaves because all of Noahs sons would have been the same colour(having the same mother and father) why would people believe that Canaan(or his father Ham was black). If Canaan was black that would mean all his brothers where black too. Since it was only Canaan who was cursed that would only account for a small percentage of black people being cursed if they really were black.And if any of you all read you bibles you will know what happen to the cananites.

Genesis chapter 10

6: The sons of Ham: Cush, Egypt, Put, and Canaan.

7: The sons of Cush: Seba, Hav'ilah, Sabtah, Ra'amah, and Sab'teca. The sons of Ra'amah: Sheba and Dedan.

8: Cush became the father of Nimrod; he was the first on earth to be a mighty man.


9: He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, "Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the LORD."

10: The beginning of his kingdom was Ba'bel, Erech, and Accad, all of them in the land of Shinar.

11: From that land he went into Assyria, and built Nin'eveh, Reho'both-Ir, Calah, and

12: Resen between Nin'eveh and Calah; that is the great city.

13: Egypt became the father of Ludim, An'amim, Leha'bim, Naph-tu'him,

14: Pathru'sim, Caslu'him (whence came the Philistines), and Caph'torim.

15: Canaan became the father of Sidon his first-born, and Heth,

16: and the Jeb'usites, the Amorites, the Gir'gashites,
17: the Hivites, the Arkites, the Sinites,

18: the Ar'vadites, the Zem'arites, and the Ha'mathites. Afterward the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

19: And the territory of the Canaanites extended from Sidon, in the direction of Gerar, as far as Gaza, and in the direction of Sodom, Gomor'rah, Admah, and Zeboi'im, as far as Lasha.

20: These are the sons of Ham, by their families, their languages, their lands, and their nati