Corpses recovered after siege
4 September 2004

Emergency workers have recovered 322 bodies including those of 155 children from the devastated scene of Russia's bloody school siege.

Dozens of corpses were being pulled out of the shattered and smouldering buildings as the hundreds of injured underwent treatment at hospitals across the region.




President Vladimir Putin




After Russian President Vladimir Putin made a pre-dawn visit to the scene in Beslan, a North Ossetian parliamentary spokeswoman confirmed that at least 322 people are known to be dead.

Mr Putin had earlier toured the heavily damaged school complex, still smouldering from the waves of explosions which tore through the site's sports hall.

Hours after commandos stormed into the gym and began running gun battles with militants, Mr Putin ordered the region's borders to be sealed off as a hunt continues for the remaining fugitives.

"All Russia grieves with you," Mr Putin told officials in the North Ossetia region as messages of sympathy and support continued to pour in from across the globe.

Around 1,000 hostages had been crammed into the school's small gym for almost three days, before the stand-off came to a bloody end.

Russian authorities said hostages began to flee after militants set off some of their crude explosives - possibly by accident - as emergency workers entered the school to collect the bodies of slain hostages.

As children and adults began to run to their freedom, the kidnappers opened fire - sparking the order for troops to storm the building. Bombs were later found strapped to the crumbled ceiling of the sports hall and hanging from basketball hoops.

In the light of the siege in Russia yesterday that ended so tragically, most if not all of todays news media identified the hostage takers as EVIL. I also remember that after 9/11 the hijackers then were called EVIL.

We use this term when we catch serial murderer such as Damar, Shipman & Sutchcliffe.. So i was wondering, were those hostage takers who initated the death of 155 children EVIL... if so what makes them so.. Were the people who hijacked the Places on 9/11 EVIL if so why, what sets them apart from countries like Isreal/Ariel Sharon or for that matter Bush/Blair when they bombed Iraq knowing that they would kill INNOCENT people..are they EVIL?

Can a person be born EVIL, and have no redeeming features if so, what would you call an EVIL person and why?

You have asked some very darn good questions. I'll be back.

I find the way the media uses horrible images like these to encourage people to hate just as evil.

Also it's as if the whole attack was planned to provesomething. They kept mentioning that ten of the terrorists were Arab, butI've yet to see a picture of any of them, so I'm some what sceptical, it's like "Go on take our word for it". But if Al-Qaeda want Bush and Sharon out of power then they're going about it the wrong way, however if they want to justify western agenda then they couldn't have done it any better.


On the subject, evil people no. Evil actionsby people yes.

Well what can I say.....life is a rollercoaster..

YOU JUST GOTTA RIDE IT

Power defines!

Absolute power defines, absolutely!

Kunjufu you asked:
Can a person be born EVIL, and have no redeeming features if so, what would you call an EVIL person and why?

I used to believe a person could be born evil because how can one explain, a human who doesn't feel or care for anything or anyone?...displays elements of apshyco-path , no remorse....nothing...can just got out and harm and not even blink or think twice about it.

But I also think environment is a factor...(the serial killer who kills females because of a deep seated hatred for his mom who was a prostitute and raised him in an unstable home)...however there are many people who are raised in crappy households yet turn out okay and then there are those who were raised in decent homes and turn out foul.

I just think we have to remember what parents tellstheir children...that the boogey man isn't always the one who looks like a monster(a person with one eye, jagged teeth and hairy limbs)........evil can also come and bedisplayed in a variety of ways.

I think that nobody does anything wrong (or evil) given their model of the world - hence u get people who show no remorse when committing certain actions where others will find it offensive or evil or crude. Its hard to understand those people because they do not adhere to the norms of society and may be labelled insane or mentally ill when perhaps they just see life a different way from the rest.

With regards to the events mentioned above I think that it is done to prove a point or as a play in a power struggle. Hence showing any sign of weakness only puts the cards in the hands of so called enemies because they know that there is a line u won't cross. Which is why actions have to be vulgar to prove a point to your opposition.

So being born evil is probably not the right phrase but just how u perceive the world through your eyes - may be evil to some but correct in the eyes of others. Simply perception.

K, a sin is a sin

evil is evil

there are no to ways about it no matter how european media prtrays it.

though what shocked me was how skinny and boney tghose kids were what is russia doing to chechyna people

LadyDay wrote: ladyday: Ok but what is a sin, those people in Russia obviously do not think it was a sin to take those children hostage...

What is Evil who defines what EVIL is?

Is THE 9/11 terrorist any more evil than Bush & Blair in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Was someone like Shipman EVIL or just mentally unbalanced?