I heard that those babies were smuggled from Nairobi hospitals and brought to UK then the guy claimed he has performed a miracle

Kenyan authorities want to deport him from UK..does anyone have inside info apart from what we are told by the British media?

Saw him on the God channel a few weeks ago, it was a joke!!!! They had him defend himself on TV, but the gestation period he claimed the children were born within defy all known laws of nature...the man is unprincipled...and a bad liar...

blkwonder

hold on

the woman that get these babies

do they believe that it is their babies?

see

ministries aka cult promoters

now thats brainwashing

Tracking down Kenya's 'miracle babies'

By Ishbel Matheson
BBC correspondent in Nairobi


In her cramped Nairobi, living room, Lucy Mbugua places a photograph of a laughing, plump toddler, alongside a front-page newspaper picture of a group of children.

Several families fear their babies were stolen and sold abroad
The headline in Kenya's Daily Nation from 19 August, is "Miracle Birth babies." Below, the newspaper asks, "Do you recognise any of them?"

Lucy asks me to study the photograph, and identify which one matches her child. I look closely, then pick out the second on the left.

Lucy nods. The little boy, dressed in an over-sized sweatshirt, resembles her son, Christopher, who vanished from the family farm in the Rift Valley in 2000.

Kenyan police found the child at the home of the Oderas, a couple linked to the London-based pastor, Archbishop Gilbert Deya, who claims to be able to make infertile women pregnant through prayer.

He was one of 11 children seized. A further nine were taken from the Nairobi home of Mrs Deya, the archbishop's wife.

Kenyan police say DNA tests show only one of the children belongs to Mrs Deya. None is the biological child of the Oderas.

DNA tests

After seeing the newspaper, Lucy and her husband travelled to the Nairobi orphanage where the children were being held. They picked out the boy, and Lucy held him in her arms.

"After I took the kid in my own arms, and held him, the kid didn't want to go back again, he just started crying."

But the boy did not recognise Lucy or her husband.

"'Do you know me?' I asked. The kid said: 'No.' 'And do you know this man?' The kid said: 'No.'

"'OK,' I said, 'Are we your friends?' The kid replied: 'Yes.'

"I asked the kid: 'What is your name?' 'My name is Jose Odera,' he said."


Ray of hope

The story of Gilbert Deya, and his "miracle" babies, was first aired on the BBC Radio 4's Face the Facts.


Women were travelling from the UK to Nairobi, supposedly to give birth in slum clinics.


Nine children were found at Mrs Deya's house
However, when the British authorities did DNA tests on one of the "miracle" babies, the child was found to have no link to the alleged mother.

In Kenya, the front-page picture of the children seized from the homes of the Oderas and Deyas, offered a ray of hope to more than 50 couples.

Children they had given up for dead may actually be alive.

Agnes Njue was one of them. She thinks there is a chance that one of the boys may be her son. Mucaria was born in 2002, in a Nairobi hospital.

Shortly after his birth, the hospital authorities told her that the baby had died.

Despite repeated requests, the hospital failed to produce the newborn's body.

Agnes says: "So I ask myself, who took my baby? You are telling me that my baby is dead, where is the body? Who buried the body? So I think my baby is somewhere."


Many of the parents who have come forward since the publicity surrounding Archbishop Deya claim their babies disappeared while in hospital, raising fears of child-trafficking network.

"Kenya is actually a country where you can buy babies," says Millie Odhiambo of The Cradle, a legal rights organisation.


Children's charities fear a child-trafficking network
She says poor adoption procedures, combined with corruption and poverty, are to blame.

"The information that we are receiving is that the lighter-skinned the child is, the more expensive the child."

We meet Stephen Gashingo and his wife at CID headquarters, waiting for authorisation for a DNA test.

They believe that the child identified only as "Baby 14" on the police line-up could be their son.

But on a visit to the orphanage, they failed to pick him out: the boy was only a newborn when he disappeared.

Mrs Gashingo was taken to Pumwani Maternity Hospital in May 2000, after complications following the delivery of her child.

But three days after the birth, the father, Stephen, was told the child had passed away.

He was shown the body of a newborn - but the corpse did not have his son's distinguishing birthmark.

"I told them that wasn't my kid, because he didn't have that mark, the birthmark."

Stephen was so convinced that the baby was not his that he refused to take it home for burial.

Several couples identify Pumwani, Kenya's biggest public maternity hospital, as the place where their babies vanished.

John Ndonye's son was born in Pumwani in 1998. A day later, he was told his son had died.

A nurse showed him the body of a newborn, which he instantly rejected.

He [Deya] will get a fair trial. We don't have anything against him as an individual

"I suspected foul play. I told her the baby was not mine."

Like many couples who lost babies at Pumwani, the Ndonyes are poor. They do not have enough money to challenge the authorities, and are distrustful of the police.

John saw no point in reporting his suspicions at the time - because Kenya was then being ruled by President Daniel arap Moi, and his notoriously corrupt ruling Kanu clique.

"Under the Kanu era, there was no justice, no law and order."

Police are now investigating possible links between Pumwani, and the Deyas. But it is proving a difficult and complex case for the poorly-trained and under-resourced Kenyan police.

Parents who came forward for DNA tests were promised the results in 10 days. They have now endured an agonising wait of four weeks.

'Fair trial'

Meanwhile, the archbishop and his wife have adamantly denied any involvement in child-trafficking.


Gilbert Deya insists that he can perform miracles
Mrs Deya has been charged with the theft of one child from Pumwani - a charge she denies. Four others - including the Oderas - have also been charged with child theft. All deny the charges.

The archbishop remains in Britain and is now referring any media inquiries to his solicitor.

On his Deya Ministries website, he continues to insist that the "miracle babies" are real, and has denounced the wicked authorities in Kenya. The Kenyan police want to extradite him.

They are hoping the long-awaited DNA test results may throw some light on this murky saga.

CID spokesman Gideon Kibunjah says: "He will get a fair trial. We don't have anything against him as an individual... We are not depending on what the press are saying, we will be depending on DNA results."

yeah that was like me i watched it on the God channel. and when they asked him why the women had to go to Kenya to give birth he said

'you cannot live in area A and go to a doctor in area B'

There was also this other couple who had 13 'Miracle babies' in the space of four years. since 1985 they were having problems concieving and now, the kids were coming fast even. she said every 3 months she getts another child even though her and her husband wernt even intitmate anymore, she also said that she wanted the babies to stop coming along.

All the questions that the self proclaimed archbishop was asked he would divert away from the subject.

They even showed one clip of the woman giving 'birth' no pain no nothing she was just lying there with her legs up.

This is a matter of the truth coming out and good its about time.

Don't even think for one moment God is happy with him. Thou shalt not steal-exodus 20.This what the bible was talking about-false people will come in Gods name.That's why we have to be spirit filled-keep the spirit diserning whats right to what is wrong

'Miracle baby' a victim - judge

A "miracle baby" was the victim of child traffickers motivated by financial greed, a UK judge has ruled.
The one-year-old, known as C, was taken into care after tests revealed his DNA did not match that of his "parents".
His alleged mother said she bore him with the aid of an evangelist who says he aids infertile couples by prayer.
At a High Court hearing in London, Mr Justice Ryder said the "birth" helped generate funds for the Kenyan preacher from a "deceived congregation".
The UK-based Kenyan evangelist Gilbert Deya is wanted in Kenya over allegations of child trafficking, which he denies.
'Cruel deception'
The judge said that during the so-called birth of C his "mother" - known as Mrs E - was seriously assaulted, "and a live child who had been born to another family was presented to her as her child."








C's birth as described was a falsehood, not a miracle

Mr Justice Ryder
"In a cruel deception to further the financial ends of those involved, Mrs E was deceived into thinking that she had given birth," he ruled.
"C's birth as described was a falsehood not a miracle."
The hearing was held in private but the judge said he was publishing his findings to try to prevent a recurrence of the "cruel deception" and to try to trace C's birth parents.
Mr Justice Ryder granted the London Borough of Haringey a temporary care order of the child, pending a final decision on his future.
The ministries
Mr and Mrs E are members of the UK's fastest growing religious movement, The Gilbert Deya Ministries.
Mr Deya is a self-styled archbishop who claims babies have been born to infertile mothers through the power of prayer

The church has 36,000 members in the UK, as well as branches in Europe, Africa and Asia.
Mrs E, 38, told the High Court C was the second of three miracle babies born to her after prayers in the church.
The first died soon after birth in Kenya and the third was taken by Kenyan authorities.
Mrs E said medical tests in London had not shown her to be pregnant but Gilbert Deya's wife, Mary, had taken her to a doctor in Kenya who had confirmed that she was.
In each case she described being taken in severe pain to a clinic by Mrs Deya before being examined by a doctor who gave her an injection to make the birth more comfortable.
Extradition request
She said her babies were delivered about 20 minutes after she arrived at the clinic but she never saw the moment of childbirth because of her distended abdomen and her position.
Mrs E and her husband, 47, told Mr Justice Ryder that despite the DNA evidence, faith was the answer to that which medical science would not explain.

Kenyan police allege the Gilbert Deya Ministries is an international baby-snatching ring and have asked the British government to extradite Mr Deya.
They say their investigation revolves around the disappearance of babies from Nairobi's Pumwani Maternity Hospital and involves suspects in Britain, Ghana, Nigeria, Uganda and Kenya.
In September they took 20 of Mr Deya's "miracle babies" into care in Nairobi after they were found to have no genetic link to the women claiming to be their mothers.
The pastor denies involvement in child trafficking and his lawyer says his client will not receive a fair trial if he is extradited to Kenya.
Gilbert Deya is now based in Glasgow and is claiming political asylum in Scotland.


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