If you are not a Christian but you do good things will you still go to heaven? - Page 3

Anni* · (#51 (**permalink**))

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Anni* · (#53 (**permalink**))

Sorry Im trying to copy and paste something out word and its not showing up on the screen, one minute..............

Happiness · (#54 (**permalink**))

@ Saint - I was tempted to post a reply to Witchy's post....but then you said more than I could ever have said and more eloquently!

witchy · (#55 (**permalink**))

@Saint...no i wont even go there...

The gentleman you think Im assuming about, ended up in court, his wife bought charges against him...it was a fact.
As it happens I went to the only primary school in my village, that happened to be linked to the church of england. Studying theology I learnt an awful lot about the church...so as it happens I DO infact know what Im talking about.

Im sorry you too this personally, what I wrote before were my own experiences with some christians

witchy · (#56 (**permalink**))

Saint....

First of all I did NOT suggest that christians should stop 'spreading the word' about their religion. Please read back to my post....I said it would be nice to be asked before someone decided to push their views on others.

LOLOL aslo whist you are at it....try reading up about the Winter Solstice Dec 21-22...it is an ancient pagan festival....as is Esotre....or your Easter....the christian church took the old religions dates and based a lot of their holy days around them, it was easier, as when many older faiths 'converted' to christianity it made sense to keep the solstice/holy days the same...

Please read what I wrote, and not try to change the meaning of what i said

Anni* · (#57 (**permalink**))

@Witchy Whats theology like? Because Im hoping to study it next year at Bible college

witchy · (#58 (**permalink**))

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@witchy- wrote I refuse to live my life in fear of an entity that basically states...'Hey, you...Im the almighty...you HAVE to believe in my to get your passport to eternity.' I prefer choice. What *would* happen, if, at the end of life, as you draw that last breath, there was..............................nothing?...no god...no jesus...no heaven....might you just feel a little cheated?!

I believe there is a Heaven and also that hell is real, but assuming there was nothing( Which can't be true anyway) why do I have to feel like i have been cheated. I have enjoyed my life on earth, christianity does may you poorer, No one is under any complusion to give money, it is all about your heart, if you want to give- good and if not, still good.

You also mentioned that we should stop telling people about Christ or stop spreading the good news, I am afraid it would not stop. Reason because that is the great commision, this is what Jesus told us to do, even though people are being killed and persecuted because of their faith, this will not stop, it will continue. JESUS is Lord. I tell you what, you may think it will stop in England, but that is why you have the African churches, coming up and getting stronger, because if the church of England fails, the African one will do the job. Go to Africa and see how passionate people are about Christ. even though many are poor, they are still optimistic, why..............because they have Christ and they have everything to live for.

Christmas is about Christ, I could'nt care less whether it was the correct day or not, but it is a time Chosen to celebrate what our Saviour has done for us. tell the billions celebrating Christmas that it is a pagan thing, they will advice you to see a doctor(sorry if this seem to beharsh on you) but you know what I was trying to say. You guys love attention, that is why you choseyour festivals event to be the same as the christians events. But who thinks about paganduring christmas, you and a few I supposed. Yes you are right that pagans just like evil has always existed.

Hope I have not offended you, if so I am so sorry, but I still need to get the message across. God Blessniceone.gif

Hmmm 'you chose your festivals event to be at the same time as christians events?!!

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I called my good friend Tim, a local vicar and historian, he suggested you look at www.askwhy.comit gives you all the information about religions that predate Christianity, Paganism, hunuism, shintu, hebrew....

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Oh, he did say if you would like to know more feel free to contact him at St Breok Vicarage, Wadebridge, Cornwall..his name is Tim Cotton... and with regards to the phrase evil...and pagans in the same breath, whilst you are at it look up about the abhorrent way the crusaders treated non christians...that evil for you...bright blessings

Saint · (#59 (**permalink**))

@Happiness- Thank you.

@Witchy- I am sorry I haven't taken this as personal. I know I have a passion for God, I wasn't beingdefensive because you haven't attacked me, I was only telling you the truth.

Your last post gives me joke. I don't know Tim but don't think he has anything new to tell me. I even disagree some times with the Archbishop(Don't know much about the incumbent one, talking about the one before him)because he says some things which the public want to hear. Reason why I don't listen to anyone is because I have heard this so called vicars(not all of them) go on tv and start talking nonsense. With their congregation number getting fewer and fewer, they try to lower the standard so as to get people in. that is not the way to go about things, I am afraid the Reverend IAN Paisley( The DUP) leader gives me joke. How can you be a reverendand yet hate so many people. I don't want to go into this.

Why is he telling me to visit a site and read about paganism, I don't have time for that. I am afraid that is why we have so many people here in England who called themselves christians but they are jokers. By their fruit you will know them, ever since I came to England, i have seenpeople who called themselves christians, but they are actually sons of the devil.

If I want to know more about God, i read the bible and pray, I don't allow anyone just to tell me nonsense. This nonsense has creeped into the church of England, that is why they openly orsecretly appoint gay bishops. This is the type of nonsenseI am talking about. Not saying the Evangelical or Pentecostal churches are all saints, but they talk better sense and they know what the are saying. See christianity from their point of view, it is much more better. I haven't condemned all the churches of England, there are still a lot of them that are ok, but some of them are just not preaching the word, they are after people by all means. That is what is killing Christianity in these churches.

I am not saying Tim Cotton is not a christian, but i don't think he has any important thing to tell me. I don't want to be misinformed.

Saint · (#60 (**permalink**))

@Anni- I would advise you if you are going to bible school to go to the UNited States and study there. They have some nice Churches that are still more passionate about GOd overthere, except if you gonna do it witha black church here. I don't know how many of them that have theological colleges. But don't do it with the church of England, because you can never be sure of what you gonna be taught. Some of them serve the Queen better than God.

LadyDay · (#61 (**permalink**))

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to get to God and heaven you must go through Jesus Christ. for he is the way the truth and the light.

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so if I decide to go through jesus christ and yet show disdain for other people will I still go to heaven?

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what people need to understand is. you dont just repent and say i ve repented back to my badness. you must repent meaningfully from the heart and strive to do better next time.

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think of it this way your parenst chastise you for being bad, but when you do good they lift you up, but they are there through good and bad always encouraging you to do good.

fazuan · (#62 (**permalink**))

so in other words you cannot show disdain for other people and be a christian? are they mutually exclusive?

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fazuan wrote:

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to get to God and heaven you must go through Jesus Christ. for he is the way the truth and the light.

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so if I decide to go through jesus christ and yet show disdain for other people will I still go to heaven?

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what people need to understand is. you dont just repent and say i ve repented back to my badness. you must repent meaningfully from the heart and strive to do better next time.

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think of it this way your parenst chastise you for being bad, but when you do good they lift you up, but they are there through good and bad always encouraging you to do good.