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Does The Quraan Denies The Existernce Of More Then One Allah ?
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what do you think?


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There is only one God(Allah) but He has 99 names. Perhaps this is what you're alluding to?


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Salaam (Peace) to all...

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Does The Quraan Denies The Existernce Of More Then One Allah ?
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I don't presume to know the MOTIVE behind this question, but on the Surface -if I am reading it right -it is a very good question, worthy of a Good Answer.
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He has an infinite number of names some of them known only to Allah Himself. Those 99 are the most widely known, I personally know where to find the more than the 99 and i Have no intention of sharing that info. Let not the multiplicity of names cnfuse you with multiplicity of meaning. He has all the names so that He can be called upon and be known and He responds to all of them and the depth in understanding the meanings of these names is the differences in men's rank towards knowing Allah.
Question: How do you come to know the meaning of these names?
Answer: Through efforts searching for the meanings and His blessing and His wish of how He chooses to reveal Himself to you. This is where quest for knowledge comes into it. Infact the very first verses of the quran which were revealed commanded man to read.

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Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
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Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
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Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
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He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-
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Taught man that which he knew not.

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He has an infinite number of names some of them known only to Allah Himself. Those 99 are the most widely known, I personally know where to find the more than the 99 and i Have no intention of sharing that info. Let not the multiplicity of names cnfuse you with multiplicity of meaning. He has all the names so that He can be called upon and be known and He responds to all of them and the depth in understanding the meanings of these names is the differences in men's rank towards knowing Allah.
Question: How do you come to know the meaning of these names?
Answer: Through efforts searching for the meanings and His blessing and His wish of how He chooses to reveal Himself to you. This is where quest for knowledge comes into it. Infact the very first verses of the quran which were revealed commanded man to read.

096.001
Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
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Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
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The Quraan Never Denies The Existence Of More Then One Allah ?
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As We Read In Koran 43 ; 58 <> And I Quote ; And They Say , Are Our God's Best , Or He ? This They Set Forth To Thee Only By Way Of Disputation ; Yea They Are A Contentious People . '' The Word In This Quote In Arabic For '' Our God's '' Is Alahatunaa , Which Has The Word '' Allat '' , A Feminnie Form Of Allah Because Of The Use Of The Letter Taa Marbuwta '' Which Denotes The Feminine . However In The Original Arabic Of The Koran . Which Didn't Have Any Dot (*) Nor Vowel , So Without The Dots And Vowels , The Original Arabic , Before The Modernization And The Updating With Grammar , That Word Would Read '' Our Allahs '' Which Confirms The Use Of Allah As A Plural . And In Fact Koran 43 ; 45 , And I Quote '' And Question Thou Our Apostles Whom We Sent Before Thee ; Did We Appoint Any Deities Other Then ( God ) Most Gracious , To Be Worshipped ? Again In This Quote From The Koran The Word Deities In Arabic Is Aalihatan , The Same Pluralization Or More Then One Allah . Now Look At This List Of More Than One Allah Throughout The Koran ; Koran 38 ; 5 And 6 , Verse 5 The Words Used Are Al Aslihat , Ilaahaan Waahidaan , Which Means '' The Allahs Into One Ilah '' And In Verse 6 Where The Word Used Is Alihatikum , Meaning Your Allahs . Also In Koran 36 ; 74 We Find Both The Words Allah Meaning '' One Allah '' And Alihatin Meaning '' More Than One Allah , Or Simply Allahs . '' Then In Koran 7 ; 138 You Find The Words Ilaahaan Meaning An Ilah And In The Same Verse We Have Alihatun , Again Meaning Allahs , And Koran 7 ; 140 And This Is A Very Important One Because In This Verse , Allah Is Being Called A Ilahin Telling You That All Of These Are The Same Arabic Word And That Contrary To Whatever Scholars Try To Pretend , They Are As Conscious As The Jewish Rabbis Who Translate Elohim As A Singel When They Know That It's A Plural . This Deception Is Repeated Again And Again In The Koran By Those People Who Seek Deceive You , Allah's Name Can Be Pluralized , Meaning Simply Anything From 3 To Any Number Of Amounts . It Can Be Dualized As The Kotan 16 ; 51 Where The Word Allahain , Meaning Two Allahs .
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God is one. there is no god but Allah.

"And your God is one God; there is no god but He! He is the Beneficent, the Merciful." (2:163).

Say, he is Allah.

the One,
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute,

he begetteth not
Nor is He begotten

And there is none
Like unto Him

(Quran 112)


If the question intended was "Why is plural form written in the Quran?"

...this is an answer from www.islamonline.com

The Qur’aan was revealed in the language of the Arabs, and in Arabic it is as correct to use the plural when speaking of one person as it is to use the singular. But the plural is used for respect and glorification, and no one is more deserving of respect and glorification than Allaah. So the singular is used to affirm the fact that He is One and has no partner or associate, and the plural is used to affirm His glory and majesty, may He be exalted.

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote in Majmaoo’ al-Fataawaa (5/128) some words which may be of interest to us here:

“With regard to Allaah’s closeness to us, sometimes it is mentioned in the singular, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them) I am indeed near (to them by My knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me…’ [al-Baqarah 2:186] and the hadeeth: ‘The One on Whom you call is closer to any one of you than the neck of his riding-camel’, and sometimes in the plural, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… And We are nearer to Him than his jugular vein’ [Qaaf 50:16]. This is like the aayaat (interpretation of the meanings): ‘We recite to you…’ [al-Qasas 28:3] and ‘We relate unto you…’ [Yoosuf 12:3]. Such usage in Arabic refers to the one who is great and has helpers who obey him; when his helpers do something by his command, he says ‘We did it,’ as a king might say, ‘We conquered this land and we defeated this army,’ and so on.�

And Allah knows best.

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The Quranic verses above establish the point, that the Unity of God being beyond any doubt, as established by the Holy Quran, we should not read any plurality of godhead in the use of the word ‘We’ in some places in the Holy Quran. The Holy Quran uses all the three pronouns of the first person, the second person and third person. Please note, that so far as the second or third persons are concerned, the Holy Quran uses the singular pronoun only, i.e., Thee or He, and that these are the only pronouns that man can possibly use to address Allah, or to speak of Him. To quote examples: "Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help" (1:4) and "Say: He, Allah, is One"(112:1).

So far as the first person pronoun is concerned, and that is the pronoun that can be used by Allah Alone, in the majority of places, the singular "I" is used. Thus "I, Allah, am the best Knower" (2:1) or "Surely, I am Allah, there is no god but I, so serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance" (20:14). But it is quite true that in a number of places the plural "We" is also used. The reason varies from place to place. Sometimes it is used to express the Might and Majesty of Allah; sometimes for His absolute supremacy over men, their affairs and their destinies; sometimes for His supremacy and control over things over which men have no control, such as things supernatural, including Divine revelation, etc.

Perhaps an analogy will help to understand the point that the use of the pronoun "We" implies no plurality when the person for whom it is used is one. For instance, even earthly kings and queens use this pronoun to express their majesty and supremacy. If Queen Elizabeth II uses "We" for herself, nobody misunderstands that she is more than one. Allah is much more justified in using this honorific for Himself, as He is the Real Sovereign.


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In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

Perhaps an analogy will help to understand the point that the use of the pronoun "We" implies no plurality when the person for whom it is used is one. For instance, even earthly kings and queens use this pronoun to express their majesty and supremacy. If Queen Elizabeth II uses "We" for herself, nobody misunderstands that she is more than one. Allah is much more justified in using this honorific for Himself, as He is the Real Sovereign.

If it is true that "there is nothing like unto Him" and that "Allah is not like His Creation", then this analogy is useless; because it suggests a LIKENESS - that the Creator is LIKE the Creation. Is that not what an analogy is?...a way of describing or suggesting a LIKENESS or SIMILARITY?

If "there is NOTHING like unto Him", then there is NO ANALOGY that we can use to describe the Creator. Therefore, when someone asks us "If Allah is ONE, why say WE?", the best answer - and the answer we should give - is, "I don't know."

If I say, "God is not THAT", and someone asks me, "Then what IS God?", and I respond, "I dont know", then I look like a fool. The only way I can say with certainty what God is NOT is if I know with certainty what God IS!

The Seventh Angel is sounding, but who can hear His Trumpet?

(No...I am NOT He!...lol)

More to follow, insha'Allah.

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"Perhaps an analogy will help to understand the point that the use of the pronoun "We" implies no plurality when the person for whom it is used is one. For instance, even earthly kings and queens use this pronoun to express their majesty and supremacy. If Queen Elizabeth II uses "We" for herself, nobody misunderstands that she is more than one. Allah is much more justified in using this honorific for Himself, as He is the Real Sovereign."


....the analogy is that "WE" is used in other instances without implying plurality. Just as in the Quran it does not neccessarily and absolutly signify and imply plurality of Allah.

Some say "i dont know", others do know, many more seek answers to that which they do not know. there are many answers in the post to be read in conjunction with this one that explain why "WE" in the Quran does not signify plurality of Allah.

"Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher"

"He Who taught (the use of) the pen,

Taught man that which he knew not."


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The Koran doesn't speak of more than one ALLAH....it speaks of more than one "ilah".

There's a difference!


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Must have went over there heads...I'll say it again...

The is only ONE Al'lah but there many i'lahs running around.


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