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08-12-04, 08:41 PM
I found this article the other day and was very interested, thought I would share it with the village
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The Man of Steel:
Who Is Superman Really?
In this time of ever-deepening turmoil in the world, as unseen forces conspire to perpetrate harm--setting one nation against another--there is a growing sense of need for someone to save us from the doom that now seems to face the world. When I was a kid, if anyone had asked who the person might have been who could do that, I would have told them Superman. This was the man you wanted if you needed to battle injustice and tyranny and bring down the "bad guys." But today in America, where our Constitution sees daily threats to the vitality of its religious foundations, and often our own leaders have become the bad guys, what could Superman even do? Against daily fraud in politics and religion, against the scourge of sexual liberties on the net, in magazines, and on TV; against the growing deficit (the moral one as well as the financial one), and the sense that our government is not telling us the truth about anything anymore, not even the Man of Steel has the nerves of steel to handle such a mess.
In many ways, Superman still stands for the ideals America has begun to forget: truth and justice. And just what is the American Way? Truth and justice were the American way . . . once. But with Judas-style lawyers "selling out the truth" every day for their thirty pieces of silver; and with the recent strides towards making America more like Sodom and Gomorrah--thus knocking the wind out of the Christian basis of our Republic--the truth has begun to become a scarce commodity. Where there is no truth, justice must then inalterably fail.
A Republic like America, unlike true democracy, is founded on unalterable Truth, an unwavering high standard of governance for mankind, which in our case was the Bible. But when we start anesthetizing the Bible out of our schools, media, social gatherings, and daily life, then our legs are cut out from under us; with no legs, how can we stand? When even our own former President is caught "lying down" on the job, what can his Nation stand for? America is falling, and there is only one man who can catch us now, and that man is Jesus, God in the flesh, our Saviour and Redeemer. If we as a Nation humbled ourselves and repented, turning aside from recent ways, then this doom could be avoided. Will it? It's doubtful. The machinery of the System which Satan has orchestrated will not easily let go of what 'he" has worked so hard to get to this point. I fear it is impossible, for even in the Bible it says all these things must come to pass before the Time of the End comes and Jesus returns. I say only this: the Truth cannot be accepted when it will not be heard by the masses; simultaneously, "the Lie" is embraced, for it is the way of man, the default we are all born into. Soon thereafter, God's judgments will begin to present themselves upon a falling Nation.
Seventy years ago, an unlikely man named Hitler was named Chancellor of Germany. He built his evil Empire (or "Reich") on lies and deceit, and in just six short years, changed the laws of his country to allow him to legally commit genocide and various other human rights atrocities. Hitler's own doctors believed they were doing the right thing,, the moral thing, given their belief (handed down from Hitler's regime) that Jewish people were somehow inferior to their Aryan neighbors. Any Christian knows we are all of us equally inferior without Christ as our covering! Upon Hitler's foundation of lies and perversions, he administered the most unjust tyranny and evil upon humanity that has ever been seen, thus far. One more such regime remains before Christ's return, and its time is near. In order to prepare the masses to accept a man of the Antichrist's qualities, they must first be pre-introduced to him in various guises and forms until they are comfortable with him.
1934. Enter in the first superhero with "magical" powers: Superman. (Actually, the Phantom was the first superhero but he was just an above-average human: no powers.)
It was during the rising persecution of Jews in 1934 that two Jews themselves, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, created Superman, a man (they called their "Super Jew") of moral integrity who used his "gifts" only for the good of humanity. There are few other superheroes as loved and admired as Superman, who has inspired millions of fans throughout the years with his moral strength and "supernatural" abilities. Although Superman's fantastic powers themselves change"according to Bob Hughes of Amazing Heroes #96, June 1, 1986, he states that "it becomes clear that there is approximately one substantially different version of the Man of Steel for each decade of his existence""the moral dignity and character of Superman has remained the same. Without doubt, then, Superman is known to be trustworthy and reliable, in contrast with our leaders today who--as the movie The American President so eloquently puts its--[seem to want to change their identity] "with each new poll found in the morning's paper."
But who is Superman, really? What is the secret of his staying power in our media, and in our hearts and minds? For the last 11 years, there has been at least one TV show dedicated to some aspect of his life, from kids, cartoons to a romantic-style show for adults in Lois and Clark, to his exciting antics (a show for the whole family) as a teen on a farm in the town of Smallville; before that, 3 major films; before that, TV shows all the way back into the 50's, and comic books since 1933! All media forms are saturated with him, there is something of Superman for all ages and inclinations of interest, and even a new feature film scheduled in the next few years. Listen, when you see this much presentation of any character or personae on TV or movies, it's usually for other reasons in addition to mere ratings or box-office numbers. This goes way beyond that! Television and movies are the great conditioners of the minds of the masses. So if we love Superman, then Superman is what we will watch. And if we will watch him, he is also the perfect instrument to carry with him subtle messages and agendas to condition us to the coming New World Order we will soon face.
Seeing this, you have to begin to ask a question: why would the entertainment industry"which is owned by rich and powerful entities and members in the Freemasons and Illuminati who in varying ways now control our country (and world)"want to condition us to acceptance of one man with god-like powers who promises to use them only for good? We see this exact same theme happening all too often now, and in greater perversity than ever before. In 2003's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, a 6-member team of former historic evildoers and villains are recruited to save the world from . . um. . (you guessed it!): even greater evildoers and villains! It's not about the evil powers they wield, it's about how they use those powers for good, right? In 2004, we will see another movie called Hellboy, in which a demonic being"and his dark cohorts"use their own evil and demonic "gifts" to fight off . . . even more sinister demons and beasts in order to save the world. Yeah, didn't see that one coming! Also in 2004, we see a movie called Van Helsing about a man with special [occultic] abilities who enlists the help of other people with fantastic powers to take down all of the classic horror monsters such as Dracula, the Mummy, and the Werewolf, using "magical" gifts to help save the world. The theme is recycled at every venue in today's media: a being with extraordinary powers uses his gifts to save the world, despite the fact that the gifts he uses are born from below, of Satan, who seduces us daily with dreams that we can be the masters of our own destiny, that we can be our own gods.
But Superman is a really good guy, you say, how do you figure he's bad for us, like in obvious stories where "good" demons fight off "bad" demons in order to "save the world"? Superman's not like them, you say, he's a hero, a national treasure who's been with us from the beginning of media itself! Well, maybe, but someone you like gets a lot closer to you and deeper into your life than someone you know to avoid, doesn't he? Once he's got a door into your heart, its easy visit you with each new hidden agenda, to confuse you, to slowly change your loyalties without your awareness. So let's take a deeper look at Superman, and see if we can't find some surprising twists in this story.
In the beginning, in 1933, Siegel and Shuster wrote Superman as a bald villain, and while liking the story, decided Superman would be better as a good guy. (Young Lex Luthor in TV's Smallville is now the bald villain-to-be.) According to Noell Wolfgram Evans, "It's comic book legend that during one fitfully hot summer night in 1934, Joe Siegel had a vision,. It was on this night that he conceived of the Superman character as we know him." Instead of a villain, he was now a hero. Again, the evildoers we know of are the ones we can avoid, but those we believe to be our friends can actually do the most harm if their intentions aren't innocent. I doubt that Siegel and Shuster wrote Superman with anything but the best of intentions, in fact they even re-designed the story during the making of the Superman 1 with Christopher Reeves to make him more like Christ. (If you have time, this link: http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/superman.htm shows how the story in Superman 1 closely mirrors, with subtle and hidden references, Biblical history of the Christ Event.) But as with anything good in this world, if Satan can warp it to his advantage, he certainly will. And over time, the story of Superman has changed subtly to reflect agendas and attitudes needed to condition minds towards acceptance of the Antichrist. So where did Superman come in and open the door to change, to an acceptance of the occult?
During the era Superman was born in, conservatism was at an all time high and his wholesome values were fairly well accepted parents and their children. Due to his good nature and the morals he represented, parents were okay with their children reading it, often reading it themselves. Flying is one of man's most basic dreams, most deeply-rooted desires, to fly unaided and never need fear falling. It was the easiest power to give Superman that people would accept because they so greatly desired it, and yet it did not seem inherently evil. Believe it or not, this was a major victory for the evil one. Tying occult powers to a good figure opened a door for elements of the occult to begin to creep in to people's lives. Believing in occultic supernatural powers was then okay because it was no longer recognized in that form. It was okay to root for our hero, given the context that his evil-based powers were only to be used in the pursuit of "good". Then, whatever fantastic powers someone might possess was okay as long as they were used for good. This is considered "white magic," known by Christians as merely another form of Satanism, giving man his "own power" for use in good works for the benefit of humanity. But Ephesians 2:8 states"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--9not by works, so that no one can boast."
According to the Bible, you can't earn salvation, it is a gift, rendering useless all the good deeds of mankind (toward the goal of attaining Heaven, they are still beneficial to Man, however!) You can't win Heaven by being a "good" witch against evil ones; all magic is forbidden by God, it is a tool of the Devil. White magic is just as evil, in fact it is a greater disservice because people consider it harmless and learn to accept it, whereas they fear black magic and avoid those who practice it. Whether you choose to see this or not, the door the occult was opened when"as a Nation"we embraced Superman's fantastic powers. Unbolted by a man of peace,, this Trojan horse was accepted, and henceforth never again shut out of our hearts and minds.
Soon, all manners of superheroes and villains flooded out like demons from a portal out of Hell, saturating our minds, making all of these fantasy elements perfectly okay and even normal due to their increasing quantity. Today, the line between fantasy and reality is so marred it's unrecognizable anymore, with many movies including real history in their fantastic storyline to blur the line between fiction and fantasy. Roland and Emmerich do this to great effect in their movies, such as Independence Day. Also, their Godzilla fused events such as the World Trade Center bombing with Godzilla's own terrible devastation. Real-life talk show hosts like Jay Leno often appear in movies pretending to make jokes about the events happening in the movies as if they were really happening in our world, too. Their upcoming movie "The Day After" will reveal the devastation that will soon come due to the Biblical Judgments, such as earthquakes, floods, and natural disasters, followed by a call to Martial Law in America, but will attribute these events to environmental poisoning and global warming, further blurring the line between reality and future promised events spoken of in Revelation. Few children seeing all of these muddied pictures can make sense of anything, and those of the new generations are so overwhelmed they don't even want to try anymore. Everything is confusing and jumbled, why not just go have "fun" and forget about learning Truth?
To continue, Superman was given a new name, his "birth" name, Kal-El. In Hebrew, the word "El" means "God." For example, a common word such as angel, (ang el) means "messenger of God" while "Immanuel" means "God with us." Thus, Kal-El ("Kal" short for the Germanic name Karl, which was derived from a Germanic word meaning "man") means Man-God. There has only ever been one person who has been both a man and God at the same time, and that was Jesus Christ. Is there a connection here in their choice to use this name? Let's recap to this point, and see.
The idea for Superman was conceived in a vision, and visions can be arranged by Satan just as easily as those from God. Then this story, once merely about a powerful [alien] being who uses his powers for good to help all of humanity, it is adapted for the big screen to present Superman as a Christ-like figure, with the events of his life mirroring the Christ Event. Before we continue, here are some selected examples (selected for brevity) of this, as quoted from Text by Anton Karl Kozlovic:
2: Divine Diaspora: Superman was an alien immigrant who was forced to leave his starry home (i.e., a threatened Krypton) to find a new life amongst strangers in a strange land (i.e., Earth). Likewise, Jesus left his celestial home in the heavens to come to the Earth realm to live claiming: "I am the living bread which came down from heaven" (John 6:51).
4: Divine Signature Signs: After his starship crash-landed in a field, baby Kal-El (Aaron Sholinski) emerged totally naked (symbolic of birth and purity) from its womb-like cave within a rural setting (analogous to Jesus, manger and stable birthplace). At one point his small arms were outstretched in a cruciform posture. This is the unmistakable signature sign of Jesus Christ, the crucified Messiah.
8: The Mystical Age: Jesus was thirty when he started his messianic mission on Earth (Luke 3:23), having previously lived a low-key life in relative rural obscurity in Nazareth. Similarly, Clark Kent left his rural low-key life in Smallville and walked into the Fortress of Solitude as a troubled eighteen-year-old teenager. Twelve years later, at age thirty, he flew out of his protective isolation as Superman.
9: Shared Life Patterns: Both Superman and Jesus had earthly family ties, both had heavenly origins, both heroes were raised incognito on Earth, both were of "royal" blood, both righted wrongs, both acted as saviours, both displayed incredible powers, both performed miracles, both had normal lives and mundane day jobs.
12: Divine Mission: Jor-El told Superman that his job was to help right the wrongs of a troubled Earth and in effect assist their evolution as a species. Similarly, Jesus was an off-world visitor who came to Earth to right cosmic wrongs with a God-inspired message of love that we should all emulate (Eph. 5:2) so that humanity could also evolve as God's chosen people.
14: Evil Tempting Good: Like the biblical Satan did to Jesus (Matt. 4:8-9), Lex Luthor (Gene Hackman) in S1 tempted Superman with an (indirect) offer of a worldly kingdom. Superman refused, just as Jesus refused the Devil's offer (Matthew 4:10).
To add to the last point here, David Bruce of HollywoodJesus.com claims more so that, "Lex Luthor, ([which] sounds like: Lucifer) lives underground"the mistaken traditional location of Satan." So, if Lex Luthor is supposed to represent Satan, shouldn't Superman then represent Christ after all? Not necessarily. The reason is complex, and requires me introduce some apparent irrelevancy into the Superman discussion, but in the end you should see that it is in fact very relevant. David Bay and Pastor Ronald Riffe of http://www.cuttingedge.org"who write about time-of-the-end prophecy concerning the rise of the Antichrist and related topics"write the following important observations:
". . . We are going to show you that this country has really had only a one-party system for most of the 20th century and that this one-party system has been masquerading as a two-party system, Republican and Democrat. This massive, and most clever deception, has been worked out to achieve two major goals:
1. To make it seem to people that we are really free and that our vote does count;
2. To actually move the entire country gradually into the socialist, globalist, government and Fascist economy called the New World Order.
To begin demonstrating this fact to you, we want to introduce you to an Illuminist German professor by the name of Hegel. In 1823, Hegel proposed a formula by which values and attitudes of a person or a nation could be gradually, almost invisibly changed, without that person or nation having any idea what was happening. When Hegel proposed this system, the concept took hold within the Academic circles of Europe, Great Britain, and the United States. And, it has been the guiding principle of our top leaders of most of the 20th Century history.
Hegel's concept has become known as Hegelian Doctrine, also known as the Dialectic Process. Briefly, this doctrine states the occult belief that all of nature is either positive or negative. Hegel postulated that when a Thesis force comes into existence, an opposite system called Antithesis is soon aroused into existence. Since these systems are opposite, they will not see eye-to-eye, so they will begin to battle one another. If this battling does not result in the destruction of one side or the other, soon the constant battling will result in a different system that is neither Thesis nor Antithesis, but is a brand new system altogether, Synthesis.
"The argument I would then propose from this "THESIS X ANTITHESIS = SYNTHESIS" theory is that the Antichrist must then be the synthesis of both Christ (thesis) and Satan (antithesis). This is the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing, a hybrid of seeming godliness and morality mixed with a monstrous inner evil. To understand why Satan would desire to blend himself with God to create this synthesized false shell, one need only remember the lesson of the Trojan horse. If it appears good on the outside, we accept it into ourselves. But who knows what devious intent lies within, waiting to emerge when we are defenseless in order to conquer us? To grasp this concept even further, let's take a quick look at the characteristics of the Antichrist. According to Thomas Road Baptist Church's website, in an article entitled "Satan's Superman" they write:
"From the very beginning of the Christian era, believers [have been] convinced that a world ruler would eventually come on the scene who was the embodiment of Satan. The book of Revelation (chapters 12-13) presents an "unholy trinity" that aligns Satan (vs. Father), Antichrist (vs. Son), and False Prophet (vs. Holy Spirit). [Superman 1 starts out with an unholy trinity being imprisoned for their crimes and cast out of heaven, or Krypton, as Satan and his minions were.] Thus, the real power behind the Antichrist is Satan. The "father of lies" is the perpetrator of the human manifestation of the world's greatest liar and the source of the lie that will condemn multitudes under divine judgment (II Thessalonians 2:11).
. . . "Perhaps the most telling of his [the Antichrist's] characteristics is depicted in Daniel 11:21, which tells us that he will come to power and "seize it through intrigue" (flatteries," KJV). Here is a master of deception, empowered by the "father of lies"[or Satan]. Many believe he will be Satan incarnate-thus his miraculous recovery in Revelation 13:3. [He will be killed, but will rise from death again, like Christ. Likewise, Superman was killed in January of 1993 and later resurrected in October of 1993, which led to rebirth of his popularity from then until the present].A simple survey of the characteristics of the Antichrist confirms the idea that he is both a false Christ (pseudo-christos) and against Christ (antichristos). He masquerades as an angel of light only to plunge the world into spiritual darkness. Like Satan, he is a destroyer, not a builder. Promising peace, he pushes the world into war. In every conceivable way, he is just like Satan who indwells and empowers him."
It is the Antichrist (a synthesis of God and Satan) who pretends to uphold morality and goodness while simultaneously plotting on the inside--like Satan--its total enslavement and subjucation to his will. Isn't a little interesting that when Friederich Nietzsche composed his most counter-Christian theory about what a supposedly free-willed human is supposed to be like, he named it the "Superman?" Read here Anna Knowles' description of Nietzsche's depiction of that Superman, which is probably the most actual depiction of what the Antichrist will actually be like as a person:
"Superman, according to Nietzsche has reached a state of being where he is no longer affected by 'pity, suffering, tolerence of the weak, the power of the soul over the body, the belief in an afterlife, the corruption of modern values (http://www.marilyn-manson.com/overman.htm )Nietzsche's Overman: Blueprint for the Antichrist Superstar**).' Superman is constantly changing and in a state of rebirth and growth. He determines what is good and what is evil, not allowing religion or society to determine these things for him. The Superman finds his happiness in this way. He uses a reason that is independent of the modern values of society or religion. He determines his own values. This creation of his own values gives him joy, and in order for the Superman to cope with a changing world, the Superman must constantly change. This constant state of change is a constant source of joy, leaving little or no room for suffering. The Superman does not believe in an afterlife or the power of the soul over the body because he does not believe in religion and has no proof of an afterlife or a God. Therefore, he makes the most out of this life, not depending on a reward in Heaven or a punishment in Hell for what he has done on Earth. The Superman does not pity or tolerate the weak. He feels that human compassion is the greatest weakness of all because it allows the weak to restrict the growth of the strong."
These characteristics are exactly what Hitler followed in his own quest for world domination. He often quoted Nietzsche in his speeches, teaching the masses to live by these flawed beliefs, conforming their minds towards obedience to a hidden agenda of euthenasia, or "ethnic cleansing" as it's called today. Meanings are disguised beneath pretty words, and labels are changed secretely to mold old laws to new standards without the people even being aware that it is happening, as it is happening again today under the Bush regime (see the http://www.cuttingedge.org for more on this if you don't believe me, go to the New Articles section.) In Superman, I've found that this desire to embed meanings and change labels is no different. Two notable things have come to my attention regarding these:
1) First, Superman's real (alien) father is named Jor-El. "Jor" comes from the Greek name Georgios which was derived from the Greek word georgos meaning "farmer, earthworker", itself derived from the elements "ge" or "earth" Thus, Jor-El literally means Earth-God.
2) Second, in the new TV series Smallville, the storyline has once again changed concerning Superman's destiny. In this new version, more modernized for the coming New World Order, Jor-El tells Clark Kent that his destiny is to "rule the world" and "conquer the human race," which is a direct 180-degree turn from Siegel and Shuster's original storyline! His real alien father, who is now long dead, has passed on the destiny written in his namesake (Earth-God) to his only begotten son (Man-God). His new destiny: to conquer and rule the Earth. Of course for now in the show, Clark refused that calling, trusting in the moral uprightness of his foster parent's teachings and did the right thing, preserving for the moment Superman's original image, but with a subtext of real concern for the future.
Why do the media attempt to dangle their agendas out in front of our eyes like vain children as if all of us were all asleep? This is about conditioning minds. People don't always accept what they haven't first been pre-introduced to! The first time something is heard, it is rejected until it can be scrutinized. In order for an idea to be accepted, it first has to be heard many times until we,re sick of hearing it, or until it almost feels as if we,re making the decision to believe something of our own free will. Agenda elements of the coming New World Order are frequently presented in today's media.
For a great example of this, you could fast forward through most of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones to the council scene where an unwitting, half-asleep, brain-dead Gungen named Jar-Jar Binks stands before the Council of the Republic, a meeting very similar to one at the United Nations building. Left in this foolish creature's charge is the sovereignty of an entire planet's political clout, and he has just been convinced by Senator Palpatine to vote "no contest" in regards to a charge of failed leadership of the current Chancellor of the Republic (or U.N.) Immediately after the decision to impeach the current Chancellor is reached, a new Chancellor is needed, and Palpatine is surprised (yeah, right) to be nominated, accepting the position post-haste. He then promises "to lay down the powers" he has been given "once the threat to the Republic has been abated." The threat is a group of separatists (those who won't join the Republic's United-Nations style government) because they don't like some of its shady financial practices.
Wait a minute, you say, isn't America a Republic? And didn't the Republic in Star Wars later become the "Empire" (called a "Reich" in German.)? And wasn't a man named Hitler crowned Chancellor of Germany's 3rd Reich, much like Palpatine was named Chancellor of the Republic? And didn't Hitler name his most elite and loyal troops "Storm Troopers?" Wait a minute, weren't there also Storm Troopers in the Star Wars movies used as the evil military force of the Empire? And didn't this Chancellor in Star Wars, who always seemed kind and helpful on the surface, then take on enormous powers as he embraced the dark side and began hunting down rebels and separatists who were the heroes of movies 4, 5, and 6? And isn't this almost exactly how the Antichrist gains control of the world in Revelation, through peace. . . until halfway through a period known as the Tribulation where he goes evil and begins killing Christians and Jews? So if America is a Republic, will it too become an Empire? It seems to be reaching that way now, at times. Will it later fall to the dark side and begin hunting down rebels and "separatists" such as those in the Christian faith who refuse to take the Mark of the Beast and join the New World Order? Could these movies be in some way based on prophecy and used to prepare our minds to a possible future that awaits us? Why would those orchestrating what we see want to give away the real-world plot before we,ve even gotten there? The answer is conditioning. We have to hear it first, and many times, before our resistance to it is destroyed and we finally accept "our fate."
Here are some observations I find interesting:
Richard Donner, the director of Superman 1, had just completed filming The Omen (1976) which was a dark movie about the Antichrist. Just a coincidence they chose him?
According to an article in Plume, 2001, p. 2, "Donner initially disowned Superman's religious origins. Presumably because of duress: I had life threats, because people accused me of approaching Brando as God and his son was Jesus...we had Scotland Yard, the FBI, and the LAPD looking in to them. I literally had people saying that my blood would run in the streets for doing that,."
Supposition: Any time you have a Superhero, you must have villains to challenge him. You cannot have a Superhero who has no way to be super, or you have a dead story. Thus it can be argued
that with the good guys come the bad ones, too. The good guys may defeat their villains, but the evil ones are allowed to roam around in our minds, seducing the innocent with their bad ways and tempting others to follow. Moreover, the job of every new artist is to try and outdo whatever has come before him. The door then creeps open ever more, in slow degrees, until it's all the way open. Those of us who are not paying attention become the proverbial frog in the water that is cooked by slowly turning up the temperature.
On the surface, Superman is a hero and a friend to the just and the weak. If there were no heaven or hell, no Jesus or Satan, Superman would be the man we all would need to defeat the enemies of tyranny, truth, and justice, and protect and defend liberty. That is why Satan has worked so hard to convince you he doesn't exist, that there is no heaven or hell. Superman is the man Satan wants you to be ready to accept when the world goes into the state of planned crisis he's pre-orchestrated so that we'll all need a Saviour. Satan's Superman, the Antichrist, will arise to answer that need. Superman's moral side masked his occult powers and we foolishly accepted him. He is the image of a future "man of peace," a man that will arise to save us all from impending doom, and will appear to do so successfully, in the guise of a friend to those who accept him. The Antichrist is the synthesis of both God and Satan, combined with the best bits of each (as Man would reckon it) to fool the world and to allow Satan one moment in all of time to pretend he is God.
If there are ten paths, and only one leads to Heaven (that way is Christ), then Satan has spent all his time convincing you that only the other nine are true and that this one is the only one that's false. Why wouldn't all ways be true, in such a misguided tolerance-based/acceptance belief system? And as for Truth, how can nine different ways be true, unless all the Truth is whittled down to fit the needs of each person? If you take anything away from perfect Truth, it ceases to be perfect. Anything that has to be molded to fit your irregularities is neither rigid nor unyielding, as is God's unchanging Word. A system that embraces any belief makes each person their own god, which is precisely what Satanism advocates: "Do whatever thou will do." The best answer is whatever you choose ("as long as it's not Christianity," he'd sneer). But best for whom: you or Satan?)
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@Justavoice. Whappan my good brother. Still holding the line for good people of faith.
But bredrin got to take issue with you on the misrepresentation of Freddrick Nietzsche and his concept of the Superman and Ego . I may even be as bold and even wreckless to say that I do not think his concept is in conflict with the best of Chrisitian teachings. Like I can aruge about Christian teachings with any authority but from Rasta days and memory.
But if there is a conflict, probably will have to go with Nietzche.
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11-12-04, 08:51 PM
Whappen Fred, still here fighting the good fight bruh , and all that you know...
The question of Freddrick Nietzche, to be honest I really know nothing of this man and his philosophies. The article was one I found and so it is the author's view and not mine. I have not read the works of Neitzche. I do know that his Father was a bishop or minister of some kind, and usually you find that the most rebellious of people tend to come from backgrounds where they were brought up in such a religious atmosphere.
Neitzche from what I can see scouring through some of his works, did not understand the true christian mind, nor that of the mind of Christ. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems he believed that religion tied up its converts. That there are those that were caught up in the piety of their religious leaders, caught up in their bishops charisma, that they did not stop to look properly at what was contained within the book. Neitzche seem to me to look at those who followed a religion as somewhat weak, a view many today hold. Like I say though this is what I gathered from just scouring his works.
To be honest I am more inclined to go with this author on what he has said, however I don't know what Neitzche said regarding the Superman and ego, so it would be interesting to get your view on why you disagree ?
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@Justavoice greetings my dear friend well this is potentially educational. Because as I said I cannot remember my bible teaching is comprehensive detail. But Nietzche's basic premise is that god gave man a range of qualities and characteristics and a potential second to none. Accordingly man is god's greatest work and vehicle. Man left in his natural state or one not cripppled by a range of ideologies and beliefs has massive potential.
At the base of this is man's vision, his ability to think and solve problems and his ego which as Freued and others said is a very important part of man's make up is a crucial vehicle in driving man's ambitions to achieve what he wills or desires on earth. If man can concieive it, he has the god given ability to will it through raw determination, passion and vision to make almost anything possible. In short man is the ultimate vehicle and human agency for change and glory.
In a nut shell. Nietchze's beef with Christianity which is not mine is that he belives is limits man's free will and his ego and by exentions his potential to impose his will on the world and change it in accordance with his vision. For me black men need to find their will and understand what ego is and impose it on this planet. and all who steps in our paths. Sounds like a good philopshy to me?
So correctly Nietzche has been associated with Nazim, Wagner and all the rest because they were influenced by his thoughts but like all those things the bible included we can deduce the truth of basic fundamentals from all the nonsense or side issues.
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13-12-04, 08:58 PM
I hear what your saying Fred, somehow though I think we as black people have got it wrong somewhere. Our ancestors and I'm speaking now of the Egyptians ok back in the days built Pyramids, and I'm no expert, but I understand these Pyramids fall in line with certain stars etc.. These people were far advanced, and wouldn't you say the asserted their own brand of ego onto this planet that even to this day we marvel over it.
In contrast though the West, Europeans have made great accomplishments, there acomplishments have no spirituallity behind it though only philosophy. For all this what we are seeing is pending ecological disaster. I believe Einstein said that he knows that the fourth world war will be fought with sticks and stones. We appear to be moving forward but really we on on a backward tilt. And black people and this is my view are trying to buy into the western ideal, to the point they will deny God as though God should be someseparate thing when dealing with matters of knowledge in this world, whether that be science, law anything. I believe man might have made greater strides had he believed in God as our ancestors did. Hence their legacy, their ego as it were left behind is a mystery now to us.
I think the times are changing, but we as black people should be educated, nothing wrong with education and striding to go forth, but we also need to learn from the mistakes of the West. And if we are to build, to teach our children who come up to have respect that is lacking in this people we live amongst. I hear too much infact nearly every day from English people and our white counterparts how they don't believe in God. They have become so cockey with it, they deal with God as though he were some alternative lifestyle.
For instance the other day I sat down and was watching the news, how that in a certain country they had chopped down so many trees, that now when the rain falls in this said area, the trees would have naturally soaked up the rain water as it came down as well as the ground but now because there is no trees, the ground takes it all and what they are getting now is mud slides.
my point is this peoples inability to look up to the heavens, even the natural that we all see, is now having problems from the heavens.
Yet the Egyptains of old are showing us that what they built on earth points toward the heavens. We need to think different from this people we live amongst.
We could change the world, If God would give us the source code.
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