Islaam has bveen "hijacked" by extremist elements worldwide with little to no condemnation from moderates.

I noticed that noone has decliamed Parris assertions with facts , and or quotes from the Koran to back up their positions.confused3

thats because paris what he states and wat u may think of him has stated facts from the quran for all to see-however his interpretation can be questioned.

well Paris it would be much easier if you ask a question then we can join the dialogue

parris

'What Parris does is irrelevant.'

exactly.

might I add that what parris says is irrelevant, in fact parris is irrelevant in his own words.

by the way, love the third person debate. its a sign of madness when you refer to yourself in the third person.

Islaam is a peacfull religion in the sense that it does not believe in initiating unwarranted attacks. This however does not mean sitting down and being incapable of defending your religion with the same ferosity, fierceness that your enemy show's you.

If you read most of the Quran, you will know it only speaks of self defence of our religion.

This indicates that war in Islam is only a mean to ward off aggression and not a mean to impose Islam as a religion; as some may claim. Referring to this, Allah Almighty says:


To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged; and verily God is most powerful for their aid.� Qur’an (22:39)

(www.Islamonline.come)

We all know that peace is one those unattainable constructs that we seem to wannadie to achieve. Peacewill continuely be stifled by Differences, indignation,lack of understanding and other factors thatare overwhelmingly existent among humans.Name a religion or a nation that wasn't involved in a war of some sort. How was democracy formed?

Parris:

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While I can't speak about everyone in the religion I think that Islam is inherently violent.
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Wouldn't it be best to study the history and tenants of other religions before making comparative statments against Islam like calling it a "violent religion"?

Atleast then, because you studied your are qualified to compare it to others and call it "violent" if you still believed that.


But is being violent a good or bad thing?

Would you teach your sons to be peaceful rather than violent if they were confronted with a bully or had to defend themselves?



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I do not think that it incorporates (measured) violence, I think it proposes it. I think it motivates it. I think Islam encourages it. I think Islam takes the hopeless ness of people and turns it into hate.
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I can't debate or argue with a man over what he THINKS...you're entitled to your own thoughts.



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While there is "mention" of tolerance in the Qu'ran (check spelling) the actions of Islam (as with some may mention...Christianity) are voilent and it stimulates that violence and strokes the flame of hate.
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It depends on which aspects of Islam you're focusing on.

If you focus on the Warfare History of Islam, then you'll only see war and violence as well as the military genius of Prophet Muhammad and his early followers.

But if you focus on the fact that Islam regulated and elevated the status of women in Islamic socity then it would look like a pre-modern feminist movement.

If you focused on the amount of slaves the Muslims liberated (with the sword) rather than the people they enslaved, then it would look like a pre-modern abolitionist's movement.

Focus on Islam's harsh stance against the drinking of alcohol, then it would look like a pre-modern AA and anti-substance abuse movement.


It depends where you focus on and where you shift your weights.




The violence part comes in when other people attempt to harm or take advantage of Muslims and they are forced to defend themselves; the spin-masters would spin that as violent.

A lot of people are angry because they are having a harder time doing in Muslim nations what they've done to Africans and Native Americans...so they launch a psychological battle against Islam to compliment thier physical assaults.


Parris, let me ask you a question....

Of all the Muslims you've come across in your daily life, how many have harmed you physically, verbally, or were hostile and aggressive in any way?










Burning Spear:

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Islaam has bveen "hijacked" by extremist elements worldwide with little to no condemnation from moderates.
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I believe that the Muslim world (not Islam) has been hijacked, but not by extremists.

They've been hijacked by the remnant powers of the Ottoman Empire in the East, and racist Pakistani propagandists who distribute information in the West.

burning spear

'Islaam has bveen "hijacked" by extremist elements worldwide with little to no condemnation from moderates.'

Islam cannot be 'hijacked' only its perception among non adherents can be influenced by the medias portrayal of it. Islam cannot be hijacked by people who are somewhat militant in their actions just in the same way as christianity could not be hijacked by the IRA. bombs were going off in london on a weekly basis and you did not see the media screaming 'christian terrorists' or muslims, hindus and sikhs calling for effective controls and arrests in the christian community. the media in that instance focused the debate on nationalism as that is the way they wanted the public to approach it. those muslim individuals who are employing militant tactics in their quest for their goals are just as nationalistic in their views as the members of the IRA.

'I noticed that noone has decliamed Parris assertions with facts , and or quotes from the Koran to back up their positions.'

There are no facts and or quotes in his or her prose relating to Islam that are worthy of debate. When a man/woman refers to themselves in the third person and subsequently states that he or she is irrelevant, what benefit do you perceive in continued discourse?

burning spear

the person that you are refering to is guilty of plagiarism, the words that he or she covets are not his or her own. a person who cannot speak his or her own mind sufficiently to form an opinion on any matter and has to sink to the level of stealing the fetid thoughts of others without a true perception of the meaning of those thoughts is beneath contempt.

Burning Spear wrote: [quote][size=3][b][font=arial]Since I am based in EuropeI will give youa scenario of whats going on.Currently there is an ongoing reaction over the murder of the Dutch filmmaker, Van Gogh in Holland, and the resultant anti-Muslim anger there, is another indication of the direction this confrontation is taking as you well know I am not sure if Parris is a well travelled as you BS but we all know that everyone seems to be suprised by theholland and its liberal, laid-back attitudes. It seemed that anybody could do whatever he or she liked, provided nobody was coerced or hurt (have you been to the RED DISTRICT?) anyway with its easy acceptance of immigrants, according to EU data Holland has a million Muslims out of a total population of 16 million.

being anti-Islam...is notgoing to get you anyway to say something about islam is to say something about a lot people !

soooo fresh soooo stupidly said

'ps since christianity justified slavery 100s of years ago what is your view on it.'


- the arabs i.e muslims had been involved in the slave trading of africans for hundreds of years before the first european ships even landed in west africa. and i know this for a fact because im from Tanzania and since the 10th century