this is what they thought of you and still do, no white man is your friend.

Early interpretations of the Bible led many Western scholars to believe that all of humanity was descended from Noah. (Again, see Sons of Noah) The bible verse (Genesis 9:18-27) concerning the sons of Noah makes no specific mention of the race of Noah's children, however the name of Cush, Ham's eldest son, means 'black' in Hebrew. Noah curses Ham and Canaan, Cush's brother, saying that he and his descendents would be a "servant of servants". Hebrew scholars used this passage to justify the Israelite subjugation of Canaan. These scholars, working around the 6th century AD, introduced the idea that the sons of Ham were marked by dark skin.

In the middle ages Christian scholars picked up on the idea. Again, the depiction of the "sons of Ham" as cursed, "blackened" by their sins suited the ideological interests of the European elite; especially as the principal enemy of Christendom was Islam, which dominated North Africa. Despite the fact that Islam originated with the Semitic Arabs, European imagery often stressed the blackness of the Islamic Moors and associated them with the 'cursed' sons of Ham. Later, with the emergence of the slave trade, it justified the exploitation of a ready supply of black African labour.

shouldnt it be slavery in the eyes of jews as this is part of the old testament which jews follow not the christians-we follow the new testament-we follow our laws and way of life from the new testament not the old.

no the new testament was established when the transatlantic slave trade began, they were referring to themselves as christians. stop deluding yourself. the english dutch spanish etc that took part in the transatlantic slave trade all called themselves christians.



"In the middle ages Christian scholars picked up on the idea. Again, the depiction of the "sons of Ham" as cursed, "blackened" by their sins suited the ideological interests of the European elite;"

^^^^^^^^^^^^ does that not say christian scholars picked up on the idea?

im not deluding myself.

just because someone calls themselves christian does not mean that they are.just like the nation of islam are not muslim or the kkk are not christian.

these groups of people can call themselves christian jews hindus anything they want,that does not mean that they are, or follow the religion.so im not deluding myself.

just because throughout history you have found people who have done certain acts but claim tofollow a faith doesnot mean that the faith commends it, let alone allows it.look at christians today they make idols of jesusu etc -the faith not not allow that either but they still do.

what dont you understand people are free to do whatever they like but the religion does not agree to it thats the difference.so stop deluding yourself.

This shows how not only historically incorrect many parts of the bible is, but how erroneously most people interpret it.

First of all, HAM wasn't the one said to be cursed...his son CANAAN was.

Secondly, Canaan was said to not only be a slave to Shem and Japheth but to his OWN BROTHERS as well.
So assuming that Ham's descendants were black, then that means that BLACK PEOPLE as a whole aren't cursed....just a designated group.
And there should be a group of blacks separate from the rest of us designated to be our slaves...no?


But my third point cancels out the second because most historians and Palestinians who know their ancestry will tell you that the people called "Canaanites" in the bible WERE NOT BLACK and weren't even a dark skinned people but would be considered WHITE by today's standards.

The only reason these erroneous bible scholars linked Canaan with African nations at that time was because Egypt ruled the Philistine/Semitic Canaan and introduced some of their language and writing to them...so the Babylonian Jews who put the bible together linked the two.


Canaanites and Philistines weren't black...that's silly; go ever to Palestine now and most of the people who deny being Arab will tell you that they are Filusteens descended from a people as white as any Russian or Greek.


Hell, when have you EVER read in the bible of a cursed person turning DARKER?
Every curse involving the skin turns people into pale white lepers.

So the argument (if we're gonna have it) should read that Noah and his sons were all brown and Canaan was cursed to be white.

Reuben

I like you, you seem almost always to give positive responses even when I have read post where other people offended you. I hope that we can continue to share information, Knowledge is power!

I to can't think of theKing you spoke of but I thought he wasa Moor of Muslim descent. I may be wrong though. I have read a lot about the Moors that ran those country for hundreds of years........I will try to find this information and get back to you.

Shalom.