firstly, you plagerised those questions from this site http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/islam.html

i must say that if really wanted to provide a good argument you could have chose a better site than the "christian defence site", and also researched the arguement you are proposing first, but anyway..

"Mary (Jesus' mother) was Moses sister"[geeg]

19:28 "O Mary ! Truly an amazing thing Hast thou brought ! O sister of Aaron ! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!'"

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: "When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun (Aaron)" (i. e. Mary) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326)"

As we clearly see from the Saying (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet, this issue was brought to him before and he clearly responded to it. The false claim made against our Prophet about him meaning that Mary was a biological sister of Aaron is clearly refuted.

The People of Isreal used to call people by either their last names, or by adding words such as you "Son of..." or "Brother of...." or "Sister of...." When they called people "O Son of...." they didn't mean for that person to be the actual biological son of the person whom they used his name. The other person could be a simply in the family tree or a last name. even luke 1:5,36 refers to marys relation to elizibeth, and elizibeth being a descendant of aaron.

When Jesus was called "Jesus the son of David" for instance, the Jews didn't mean Jesus the actual biological son of David. Similarily, when they called Mary "O sister of Aaron", they meant sister of Aaron in faith !. Not the actual biological sister of Aaron.


"Jesus taught people even in his "old age""[geeg]

5:110 "Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity."

Infancy refers to the fact jesus disputes with doctors at a young age. even luke 2:46,40 refers to this.


"Heaven is a place of sex and wine." [geeg]

2:25 "But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever). "

4:57 "But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, We shall soon admit to Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal home: Therein shall they have companions pure and holy: We shall admit them to shades, cool and ever deepening."

11:23 "But those who believe and work righteousness, and humble themselves before their Lord,- They will be companions of the gardens, to dwell therein for aye! "

47:15 "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water INCORRUPTABLE; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)? "

..all that seems okay to me!! a garden of bliss, choices of fruit and drink, rivers with crystal waters, holy companions.


"The sun literally sets into a muddy spring" [geeg]

18:86 "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

http://www.answering-christianity.co..._challenge.htm

1- The sun had always risen from the east and set in the west in a constant circular motion. To our human perspective, the sun had always rose from the east, and set in the west, and then goes under the earth to rise back from the east and so on.

2- The sun could not physically set on a lake or Spring, because that area of water could not have space or hole under it where the sun would go through it to then go under the earth so it would rise back up again from the east.

3- Not a single Muslim scholar interpreted this Noble Verse as the SUN SETTING INSIDE THE Mercy spring water.

4- On the contrary in point #3, the Muslim scholars were the first to recognize earth as a spherical globe.

5- If the verses were to be taken literally, then the sun would have to set in the west, and would have to then rise back from the west, and then set in the east and then rise back from the east and so on.

http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaappl...FatwaID=106052

Before answering your question, we would like first to mention to our readers the translation of the meaning to the Qur’anic verse that is referred to in the question:

“Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout: We said: O Zul Qarnain! Either punish or show them kindness.� (Al-Kahf: 86)

Here is a brief commentary to the above verse as mentioned in the books of tafseer (exegesis of Qur’an):

“Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun…�, means that Zul Qarnain followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun’s setting, which is the west of the earth. As for the idea of his reaching the place in the sky where the sun sets, this is something impossible, and the tales told by storytellers that he traveled so far to the west that the sun set behind him are not true at all. Most of those stories come from the myths of the People of the Book and the fabrications and lies of their heretics.

“he found it setting in a muddy spring…� means that he saw the sun as if it were setting in the ocean. This is something that everyone who goes to the coast or beach can see: it looks as if the sun is setting into the sea, but in fact it never leaves its path in which it is fixed. The muddy spring or hami’ah is derived from the word hama’ah which means ‘mud’.

In his commentary on the story referred to in the Qur’anic verse, the prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states the following:

“Indeed, the Qur’an is not a historical book where events are mentioned with their exact places and times. Rather, Allah mentions stories in the Qur’an so as to derive lessons from them both in present and future times.

Allah mentions that the story of Zul Qarnain in the Qur’an so as to derive lessons from it. The Qur’an itself did not mention who Zul Qarnain is. Also, there is no detailed explanation to his story. Where exactly did he go? To the east or to the west? There is not any mention of the people he went to. Added to that, there is no mention of names except for those of Zul Qarnain and Gog and Magog. The wisdom behind that is known to Almighty Allah Alone. But again, we are required to draw fruitful lessons from such stories, and we are not required to know every little detail about the minute incidents.�

Moreover, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, Director of the Islamic Society of Orange County, Garden Grove, California and former President of the Islamic Society of North America, gives the following counter argument:

“The author of the flyer refers to the story of an ancient ruler mentioned in the Qur’an in Surat Al-Kahf. The Qur’an says that this ruler named Zul Qarnain traveled to distant lands. He went westward to a distant land near the ocean and he saw the sun was setting there in a murky pond. The translation of the Qur’anic words are “Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring...� (Al-Kahf 18:86). The author of this flyer took this literally and objected, how could God say that the sun was setting in a murky pond? He considered this a “foolish and false statement� and a proof that the Qur’an was not the word of God and that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was not God’s Prophet.

In the New Testament, Jesus is reported to have said about the Queen of Sheba that she came from the ends of the earth (Matthew 12:42; Luke 11:31). Would the author also say that Jesus’ words were also foolish and false and would he reject him also? Obviously, we know that the Queen Sheba did not come from the ends of the earth. Yemen is not the end of the earth. The author would say that Jesus spoke metaphorically. We say the same thing, that in the story of Zul Qarnain, God spoke metaphorically.

The author claims that “the great Islamic scholars (such as Tabari, Zamakhshari, Baydawi, Jalalain, etc.) took this literally.� This is not correct. The fact is that most of the commentators of the Qur’an do not take it literally. Most of them explain that “the sun appeared to him as if it was setting in murky water.� The famous commentators of the Qur’an Jalalain say, “fi ra’y al-`ayn wa illa fahiya a’zamo min ad-dunya� meaning “it appeared to his own eyes otherwise the sun is bigger than the earth.�

The Qur’anic statement is clearly metaphorical, and this is the way it has been understood by most of the classical and modern commentators of the Qur’an.

The author claims that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) also explained it in a literal sense. He quoted a hadith in which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported as saying, “Do you know, Abu Dharr, where this sun sets?� He answered, “God and His Messenger know better.� Muhammad said, “It sets in a spring of slimy water.� According to most authorities, this statement is not from Prophet Muhammad but it is attributed to Ka`b Al-Ahbar, a Jewish rabbi who converted to Islam and who reported this from the Torah, not from Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

Finally, we recommend you to read:

Ya’juj and Ma’juj (Gog and Magog)

http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/eng...hFatwaID=37165

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...QR=22029&dgn=4

chinnkie i really didnt think you would be sour about me putting those posts up.

when you were the first to bring up posts about the bible to try and find discrepancies was i not the one who also argued that it was your right to do so as this is a spiritual forum and we have the right to reply .i didnt complain that you were doing post against christianity.so why do you?are you only allowed and no one can question islaam?

secondly i have stated before that i copy and paste.whats wrong in that?the site you said i copied and pasted from i could have copied and pasted the whole thing but i wanted answers to certain parts of the site or i wudve done the whole thing.whats wrong in that?you are telling me you have never copied and pasted before? (discrepancies from the bible)

Geeg... i have no problem with you putting them up for discussion or debate.

the thing is that you asked "are they really in the Quran", when you could have just checked the Quran yourself to see if they was there. if you had, you wouldnt have even posted them.

As i have said before, there have been some strong claims against the Quran. even though they were clearly disproven, rhey were based on good points and strong arguements and scientific discovery was actually needed to disprove them. however, these "good" claims have been few, and i have not seen any on here yet because the majority of people (like you) seem to just copy any weak arguement they come across on any crappy website without even checking out its authenticity first.

You really didnt want to ask if they was there, you really wanted to say something like, "what a terrible book, look what lies, discrepancies and rubbish it holds", but as you knew that would be laughed at as the claims were weak, you instead tried to be subtle but sly.

However, i still answered and clarified your points by refuting them and putting them in their proper context. lets see you now do the same with the 54 points and subpoints i have listed. some may be true, some may not, anyhow, lets see you clarify or refute them, we both knoow you cannot do that on every point or even most of them.

The point of my thread is to show you that anyone can cut and paste the questions and claims of others, but it is useless to repeat them if you have not reasearched their value and worth yourself.

there are a few of my points that are exagerated or maybe even mistaken, and normally i would have not posted them without picking up a bible in a hard or online copy and researching the verse or discrepancy first. Unless i do that, to post it is meaningless. To avoid this i should be straight and say "this is the crap your religion says and this is proof it holds many lies and untruths", ......or ......"i have heard or read that this is what your religion says, as i am unsure, could you clarify whether it is true or not, or give me your opinion on it".

For future reference:

The Holy Quran

http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/index.htm

Or you might want to buy a translation by Yusef Ali with a comprehensive commentry and footnotes which clarifies many points.