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Now in Islam convertion to other religions is punishable by death i strongly believe religion is a personal choice and no one must be threatened by his or her choice to change religion because many converted Muslims keep it as a secret when they convert because they fear being killed,,some have been killed.
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21-01-05, 12:38 AM
they can be imprisoned too.... as can be the convertors.... ..which is why that christian site the "article" was posted on is so concerned!!
this is nothing new. these are the laws of the islamic state. however, i think they are rarely applied.
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Now in Islam convertion to other religions is punishable by death i strongly believe religion is a personal choice and no one must be threatened by his or her choice to change religion because many converted Muslims keep it as a secret when they convert because they fear being killed,,some have been killed.
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The Holy Qur'an is the Supreme Law of Islam. There isabsolutely nobasis in the Holy Qur'an for thekilling of apostates. If itexists, it is the innovation of man, not theCommand of Allah.
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"There is no compulsion in religion. The right way is clearly distinct from error." -Holy Qur'an
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25-01-05, 12:20 AM
Oppressive Religion,,,
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25-01-05, 01:32 AM
Go and spread freedom around the world then. .
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25-01-05, 01:53 AM
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they can be imprisoned too.... as can be the convertors.... ..which is why that christian site the "article" was posted on is so concerned!!
this is nothing new. these are the laws of the islamic state. however, i think they are rarely applied.
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Are these rules Man-made or not?
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26-01-05, 03:43 AM
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Now in Islam convertion to other religions is punishable by death i strongly believe religion is a personal choice and no one must be threatened by his or her choice to change religion because many converted Muslims keep it as a secret when they convert because they fear being killed,,some have been killed.
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You said "NOW" in Islam....
I'm sorry but the rules of Islam have already been established by Prophet Muhammad.
This isn't Christianity where the pope can issue edicts and abrogations every other decade to keep up with society.
There is no Koranic basis for punishing people who convert to other religions unless they attempt to spread lies about or harm Muslims.
Now just because some Muslim may kill someone who converted...hell some Muslims drink, rape, and murder...doesn't mean it's Islamic.
Those are just individuals in error.
Like the Christian Hitler was in error for killing millions of Jews.
Because the steel is black...the attitude is exact. - Public Enemy
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26-01-05, 09:25 PM
surely no religion should encourage hate. salmon rushdie got a death warrant from the islamic faith people hanging over him. it was meant to be lifted may have gone back in place. The Bible says Thou shalt not kill Only God giveth life and only He cantaketh away so therefore the koran has a man made writing of kill if they leave us its almost gang like if what i am reading is true.
Think outside of the box...Think in spirit
Act as if it were impossible to fail!!!
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26-01-05, 10:45 PM
what the Qur'an actually says is:
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)
The very clear statement in the Quran "let there be NO COMPULSION in religion" prevails over the hadith in Sahih Bukhari "whoever changes his religion, kill him". Hadiths are manmade and therefore not the word of god.
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26-01-05, 10:59 PM
(Jamal) you see thats the problem with your religion you can not do that in this day a age. If you god allah really exists why don't you leave the person who has converted and let your god deal with him because killing is utter evil (taghut).
So you must leave people who convert alone because if your god exists the converterwill go to hell so why do you worry and kill the converter.
Oppressive religion. Religion must be a personal choice.
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26-01-05, 11:16 PM
kevin....
"let there be NO COMPULSION in religion"
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if a person wants to join or leave Islam then it is their choice. they should not be forced to join, and also should not be forced to stay.
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27-01-05, 12:32 AM
You just said whoever changes religion, kill him. now this ia already a barrier stoping people from converting. I do not know how old you are but i know for sure if you had a family member who converted you would assualt him or her in some way.
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surely no religion should encourage hate. salmon rushdie got a death warrant from the islamic faith people hanging over him. it was meant to be lifted may have gone back in place. The Bible says Thou shalt not kill Only God giveth life and only He cantaketh away
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Yes but...
Didn't Moses KILL the Egyptian?
Didn't David KILL Goliath?
In Deuteronomy 7:16, weren't the Israelites instructed to slaughter all the Caananites and have no pity on them?
"And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that [will be] a snare unto thee."
Surely this can't be the word of a JUST god..can it?
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Hadiths are manmade and therefore not the word of god.
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You don't know how good it makes me feel to hear another Muslim say that...I feel the same way.
Although I don't condemn all Hadith, I think it's been the number one reason why the Islamic world is so fragmented today and has caused much conflict and confusion.
We should rather put our faith in the Koran.
...but that's a different subject all together.
Kevin:
Stop acting retarded boy.
We both explained to you what Islam says about people not being forced into the religion. It doesn't matter what a few fools or rogue elements do because THEY don't determine what's acceptable in Islam...the Koran does.
Because you heard that some men have sex with eachother does that mean that masculinity now encourages sodomy?
Do you take exceptions for rules.
...or do you just like playing the role of a fool?
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