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Why won't people that believe in the bible admit that it is plagerized and stolen from older doctrines and twisted to suit the belief system of perverted corrupted nations like the Greeks and Romans? Why do christians and others believe so blindly in something they do absolutely no research on? And the facts are right their in front of them, They try to seprate science and history from religion but its all connected and they refuse to acknowldge concrete facts and evidence. I'm not saying everything in the bible is wrong, like don't steal, kill lie or cheat is true and its commen sense, but plagerizing a whole way of living with no credit or even acknowledgment to the author is wrong and very ignorant because non of you so-called believers even know your books are copies and don't know the origins of your religion. Not to reduce culture down to music but thats almost the same as Elvis Presley saying he created rock and roll when in fact he learned it from black people.
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Some do accept the errors but look for the true parts to appraise their faith.
Some change yheir religion on finding out about the extent of errors.
The majority ignore the errors and in fact refute them as they know to accept them means that the basis on christianity falls apart. The following thread is an example of the futile arguements the last group will put forward in their state of ignorance, arrogance and denial http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackf...um26/6764.html
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Why won't people that believe in the bible admit that it is plagerized and stolen from older doctrines and twisted to suit the belief system of perverted corrupted nations like the Greeks and Romans?
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How did you draw these conclusions ? that the bible is plagiarism ?
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In your supposition have you taken into account history before and after the supposed copying you think went on.
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What was the state of affairs of the world.
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Do you believe in God ? as this as a great effect upon how you go about your research. Are you first a skeptic looking to disprove or prove ?
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If men like Moses copied something else, why did what they wrote go on to out live those things they supposedly copy from, having much more fame, and being widely more contested and acceptedeven to this very thread here now ?
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Have you asked yourself why ?
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Why do christians and others believe so blindly in something they do absolutely no research on?
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Us believers, we so gullible right Chubbichix ? And you unbelievers are so on the ball ? Your right maybe some of us christian's should even learn to read. I'll go back to my church and run it by my bishop.
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And the facts are right their in front of them, They try to seprate science and history from religion but its all connected and they refuse to acknowldge concrete facts and evidence.
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What does your concrete facts prove or dis-prove. And when you go to answer this question, remember the question I asked you earlier about your research methods.
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I'm not saying everything in the bible is wrong, like don't steal, kill lie or cheat is true and its commen sense.
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If there is no God, why should we not lie, kill and steal.. Who as set this common law amongst man, that you have placed now in your psyche and so willingly accept.
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If there is no ultimate judge of man, what prevents you from doing wrong, your own sense of morallity ?
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What is wrong, what is right ? for what might be wrong to one man, might not be wrong to another ? so who set the rule you now believe is common sense ?
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Does that sense of morallity you have tell you its right not to kill an adult but ok to wrip apart a foetus in the womb of woman ? and that is not murder but an abortion of life ?
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See what happens when men become there own godsand thereis no universal common God among us all ? Seewhat questions can arise ?
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When is a life a life... when do you instigate"thou shalt not kill" ?
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but plagerizing a whole way of living with no credit or even acknowledgment to the author is wrong and very ignorant because non of you so-called believers even know your books are copies and don't know the origins of your religion.
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ok, which one you getting at then, Sumerian beliefs, Egyptian mysteries which one ?
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Not to reduce culture down to music but thats almost the same as Elvis Presley saying he created rock and roll when in fact he learned it from black people.
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Your thoughts begin and end with mankind, it never tries to go all the way back to the source and then consider why some of these belief systems are so close and yet so different.
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Your thinking because it does not involve God at any point is thus reduced to a child like, he copied her, and she copied him. And your left no wherenearer to the truth. Whichthen begs me to ask you the question is it the truth you seek ?
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12-02-05, 06:16 PM
if the Bible is plagerism i beg to ask what is the Koranw hich came after and just happens to have some of the same stories. huh
The Bible includes the old testament which was mainlyused by teh jews but christians use this too even rastafarians use the Bible...
curious ?@ chubbchix why did you even start this topic. all this ish you say is all heresy
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12-02-05, 11:26 PM
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How did you draw these conclusions ? that the bible is plagiarism ? The bible is plagerized from older Egyptian text and the proof is that the bible and its stories are identical to the Egypts accounts except the Egyptian myths are thosands of years older then the bibleand the people in bible. The prophets claim they recieved it from God but every last one of them all studied at Egyptian schools so since the Egyptians had the same stories, just much older, isn't it more likely the prophets got it from them rather then God?
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In your supposition have you taken into account history before and after the supposed copying you think went on.
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Yes I have and I have found that not only is the stories of the bible copied but it is also of a Hebrew, then Israelite perspective. Since the bible has origins in older doctrines, the "before" that your talking about would be considered the source or the original Egyptian studies that it was copied from.
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It depends onwho and where in the world your talking about inbible. since most great men in the bible studied egyptian science and traveled alot, the time and cirmstances are a different but the story is still the same.
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Do you believe in God ? as this as a great effect upon how you go about your research. Are you first a skeptic looking to disprove or prove ?
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I Will admit that psycologically your perspective does affect the way that a person sorts and interpret information but in this case information was purposely distorted and origins blurred to manipulate the masses and give them "hope and faith" in things that are not true but most will never know because they will never research it using facts, just beliefs but no science.
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If men like Moses copied something else, why did what they wrote go on to out live those things they supposedly copy from, having much more fame, and being widely more contested and acceptedeven to this very thread here now ? Come on, you can not be this naive, This is the same thing people say about black people, why they dont get more credit and are so poor if they really invented things and contributed to america. Fame and acceptancehas nothing to do with the origins because history shows us many times that people got credit for stuff they didn't create themselves but stole or learned from others.
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Moses himself was a hebrew but was raised until he was a grown man as an Egyptian priest and raised by the pharoh's daughter. The laws not to kill, steal, lie whatever were already in existance in egypt while Moses was growing up.He took the information he learned in Egypt and first taught it to people of Midian and later the hebrews. The bible says Moses got it on Mt. Sinai from God, but Moses got the law and accounts of history from the Egyptians who also had monotheism at the time.Ex: If you look look at the 10 commandments written by Moses its identical to the Egyptian 141 negative confessions except Egypts version is much older and they are confessing that they havent sinned.
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The bible "Thou shall not kill, commit adultry, or bear false witness againts thy neighbor", The Book of the dead "I have not committed murder, fornication andnot have I borne false testimony". I could go all day about the similarities but you should see that the bible was basically plagerized from the Egyptians account.
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Have you asked yourself why ?
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I know why because the Greekswere the first real nation of white people and so when the Romans established christianity, they made it to suit their savage lives since they were so-called pageans before christianity. They stole the concept of pageanism and and then later christianity from theGreeks who stole it earlier from the Egyptians and Sumerians. Since our culture and the world is dominated by white people who glorify their history, youhold their bible as the truth when everything including the bible and even your traditionswere taken from the original people by white greeks and romans. No white people are native to Africa or the middle east so the so-called white jewish people of todayare from Russia and other parts of europe.
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Why do christians and others believe so blindly in something they do absolutely no research on?
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Us believers, we so gullible right Chubbichix ? And you unbelievers are so on the ball ? Your right maybe some of us christian's should even learn to read. I'll go back to my church and run it by my bishop.
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Oh don't do that because he will just hand you the same old dribble thats been brainwashing the masses all over the world for centuries. You need to do some real research and study on you own outside and including the bible and stop basing your life on stuff that aint true. check this link out it has a little information and scriptures but its so much more out there. http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/egypt.html
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And the facts are right their in front of them, They try to seprate science and history from religion but its all connected and they refuse to acknowldge concrete facts and evidence.
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What does your concrete facts prove or dis-prove. And when you go to answer this question, remember the question I asked you earlier about your research methods.
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It proves that what Jews and christians beliefsare erroneous and derived from older cultures and doctrines.
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I'm not saying everything in the bible is wrong, like don't steal, kill lie or cheat is true and its commen sense.
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If there is no God, why should we not lie, kill and steal.. Who as set this common law amongst man, that you have placed now in your psyche and so willingly accept? We should notcommit all of the above because it is counterproductive to any given community, how do you think some African or native american tribes got along whensome of them have never even seen a bible or could even read? The socalled law you talk about is obviously something instinctual because even monkeys, lions or frogs don't usually kill other familairs.
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If there is no ultimate judge of man, what prevents you from doing wrong, your own sense of morallity ? Well you answered your own question, yes. But in our world, its our society and community that helps shapes our values, morals and norms, unfortunately ours came from white supremecy and black after affects.
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What is wrong, what is right ? for what might be wrong to one man, might not be wrong to another ? so who set the rule you now believe is common sense ?Like I said you do, based on the facts rather then on beliefs and superstitions.
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Does that sense of morallity you have tell you its right not to kill an adult but ok to wrip apart a foetus in the womb of woman ? and that is not murder but an abortion of life ? Well like I said personal choice, up to you what you dowith the information and what choices you make
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See what happens when men become there own godsand thereis no universal common God among us all ? Seewhat questions can arise ? Thats what white people and people in general say, itwould be chaos if there wasent any police orno one government or king controlling everything,it would fall apart.
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When is a life a life... when do you instigate"thou shalt not kill" ? Christianity is the biggestreligion in the world and if you ask almost any criminal except a small few, most will believe in Godand be christians so how is the so-called law stoppingpeople from commiting these acts?
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but plagerizing a whole way of living with no credit or even acknowledgment to the author is wrong and very ignorant because non of you so-called believers even know your books are copies and don't know the origins of your religion.
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ok, which one you getting at then, Sumerian beliefs, Egyptian mysteries which one ? Both of them actually. Think of it like this, the Sumerians and the Egyptianswere entire nations when Abraham, technically the first hebrew was just one man and the Israelites or jews were not even born yet.
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Not to reduce culture down to music but thats almost the same as Elvis Presley saying he created rock and roll when in fact he learned it from black people.
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Your thoughts begin and end with mankind, it never tries to go all the way back to the source and then consider why some of these belief systems are so close and yet so different.
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Information changes over time especially when passed from generation to generation and across cultures. Look at Asian Hindus, Their religion is somewhat different from the original Dravidians and hindus but it doesnt change the fact that the Asians got it fromthe Indiansand altered it to suit them. Look at the nation of Islam in America and Arabs in Saudi Arabia, they are much different also in culture and doctrine but they still got it from the muslims in the middle east.
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Your thinking because it does not involve God at any point is thus reduced to a child like, he copied her, and she copied him. And your left no wherenearer to the truth. Whichthen begs me to ask you the question is it the truth you seek ?
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Plagerism is no childs play and has been done for thousands of years. Egypt and Sumeria are the oldest civilizations that we know of based on scientific evidence but you never know, it probably was a civilization before them that they got their information from just like christianity, Islam and every known religiongot theirbeliefs and traditions fromEgypt. Its definity knowledge that I seek, an accurant account and not a 20th hand version thats been distorted and altered.
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if the Bible is plagerism i beg to ask what is the Koranw hich came after and just happens to have some of the same stories. huh
The Bible includes the old testament which was mainlyused by teh jews but christians use this too even rastafarians use the Bible...
curious ?@ chubbchix why did you even start this topic. all this ish you say is all heresy
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Well yes the Quran is also plagerized except its from an Ishmaelite perspective when the bible is from a hebrew or israelite perspective. I started the tread because I see alot of posts in this forum someare true and others are debating irrelevant points and small differenceswhen they whole way of life and beliefs are based on a lie.
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futile indeed.lol
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13-02-05, 01:13 AM
Salaam (Peace) to all.
It is not necessarily a fact that because "A" was written or revealed before "B", and "B" before "C", that "C" and "B" are "copies" or "plagiarisms" of "A". To suggest such is bordering on fallacy.
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Ifan Authorwrites a three-part Volume treating a particular subject, and releases or publishes each volume in succession...one after another...over a period of time, would we be surprised to find that Volume 2 and Volume 3 share the same theme and general idea as Volume 1? Would we deduce or conclude, because Volume 1 was first, that volumes 2 & 3 were "plagiarized" from Volume 1? Of course not. How could the latter be "plagiarized" from the former when ALL of them came from the SAME AUTHOR?????
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13-02-05, 09:33 AM
The truth is, to see the similarities it is better to see the doctrine together before making a conclusion.
Here is a small portion of the comparisons between Egyptian & NT doctrine (I will post more as an individual topic)
NOTE: THIS IS NOT MENT TO OFFEND ANYONE
Horus Of Both Sexes
Jesus As The Bearded
Sophia, Charis The Female
Christ
Horus who Exalteth His Father In
Every Sacred Place
Jesus Who Exalteth His
Father In Every Way
Horus As Remi The weeper
Jesus As The Weeper
Dumb Horus As The Silent Sekari
Jesus Silent Before His
Accusers
Horus Behaving Badly To Isis
Jesus Speaking Brutally To
His Mother
Horus As Prince Of The Divine
Powers
Jesus The Prince
Horus The Uplifted Serpent
Jesus Uplifted As The Serpent
Horus As The Bennu
Jesus As The Phoenix
Horus Who Giveth Light By
Means Of His Own Body
Jesus the Light Of The world
Horus The Hider Of Himself As
Har-Sheta
Jesus the Concealer of
Himself
Horus The Word-Made Truth
Jesus the Doer Of The Word
Horus In The Bosom Of Ra
Jesus In The Bosom Of The
Father
Horus The Krst
Jesus The Christ
Horus The Avenger
Jesus Who Brings the Sword
lu-em-hetep Who Comes With
Peace
Jesus the Bringer Of Peace
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