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In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the BEST Knower.

As-Salaam Alaikum, Family.

The Hon. Louis Farrakhan, in his Historic "Who Is God?" Lecture, stated that "electricity is the most mysterious force, because no one knows its origin".

It is true that Electricity is everywhere, in everything that exists; for is not everything that exists made of Atoms? And are not Atoms composed of electrically charged particles - electrons, protons, neutrons? This most mysterious force - Electricity - is also referred to by some as Spirit.

We are taught that everything in the Physical Universe is but a Manifestation of a Spiritual Reality. If this is true, and it is, then what Spiritual Realities are "Man" and "Woman" a reflection of? That is, What is the ROOT of "Man"? What is the ROOT of "Woman"? And, what does that have to do with "Electricity"?

While attending "Basic Electronics and Electricity" school, many moons ago...lol...one of the things we learned was that Electricity has two "Polarities" - positive and negative. "Positive" indicating the active, electric, outgoing side of the pole; and "Negative" indicating the receptive, magnetic side of the pole...much like a magnet.

The Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us that the First Life in the Universe began as an Atom that Sparked in the Darkness. What is a SPARK? What Causes a Spark? It is the Transfer of engergy - at a very rapid pace - from an electrically "positive" pole to an electrially "negative" pole. We can say, then, that the Spark of Life is produced by the INTERACTION between the Positive and the Negative. This tells us that even before the Atom of Life ever sparked in the Darkness, the Positive and the Negative potentials or polarities were already present, otherwise, no spark could have been produced.

The MAN is a manifestation of the Positive(electric) energy of "ALLAH", and the WOMAN is a manifestation of the Negative(magnetic) energy of "ALLAH". The Man is a reflection of the ACTIVE principle, while the Woman is the reflection of the RE-ACTIVE principle. BOTH are required to produce the Spark of Life (Electro-Magnetic Energy). However, One form had to precede the other.

If we say that the FEMALE form preceded the MALE form, then we have to ask just HOW could this take place when hers is a REACTIVE Nature. This does not make her LESS than the Male...not at all. But we are going after the PROCESS by which these things took place.

We can say, the Woman is the first form, for she is the Mother of all Life. Well, HOW did she get Pregnant? Just look at the woman, how she is made. She is a RESPONSIVE Creature...though just as Divine as the Male, and NO LESS sacred. But she is RESPONSIVE. With all of her Life Giving Powers, they are all activated by the MALE principle...ACTION.

If Hers was the initial or primordial form, then there is nothing in her that could produce a Male...having only the "X" Chromosome as a genetic base. Even if we say that a "degeneration" or "defect" took place in the woman, which produced the "Y" Chromosome, then the Law of Cause and Effect demands that the "Y" Chromosome should still be IN the woman. But it is not there, and there is no solid evidence to suggest that it ever was there.

However, the Male carries BOTH the "X" and the "Y", and is the sole determining factor in the GENDER of the children that the Female gives birth to.

In short, all the reasonable evidence suggests that the Male had to be the first Form, and carries within himself the Nature of First Cause; while the Female Form and Nature is one of REACTION or RESPONSE to First Cause.

One need not be a proverbial "rocket scientist" to be able to reason out the truth, however, we must be diligent students of the Nature of things.

AGAIN, this is not an EVALUATION designed to compare the value of one to the value of the other. No...that would be foolish. It is merely an explanation of a Process. Nothing more.

I realize that there are other views which do not coincide with the one just explained, and I am sure that we will be graced with some of them.
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In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the BEST Knower.

As-Salaam Alaikum, Family.

The Hon. Louis Farrakhan, in his Historic "Who Is God?" Lecture, stated that "electricity is the most mysterious force, because no one knows its origin".

It is true that Electricity is everywhere, in everything that exists; for is not everything that exists made of Atoms? And are not Atoms composed of electrically charged particles - electrons, protons, neutrons? This most mysterious force - Electricity - is also referred to by some as Spirit.

We are taught that everything in the Physical Universe is but a Manifestation of a Spiritual Reality. If this is true, and it is, then what Spiritual Realities are "Man" and "Woman" a reflection of? That is, What is the ROOT of "Man"? What is the ROOT of "Woman"? And, what does that have to do with "Electricity"?

While attending "Basic Electronics and Electricity" school, many moons ago...lol...one of the things we learned was that Electricity has two "Polarities" - positive and negative. "Positive" indicating the active, electric, outgoing side of the pole; and "Negative" indicating the receptive, magnetic side of the pole...much like a magnet.

The Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us that the First Life in the Universe began as an Atom that Sparked in the Darkness. What is a SPARK? What Causes a Spark? It is the Transfer of engergy - at a very rapid pace - from an electrically "positive" pole to an electrially "negative" pole. We can say, then, that the Spark of Life is produced by the INTERACTION between the Positive and the Negative. This tells us that even before the Atom of Life ever sparked in the Darkness, the Positive and the Negative potentials or polarities were already present, otherwise, no spark could have been produced.

The MAN is a manifestation of the Positive(electric) energy of "ALLAH", and the WOMAN is a manifestation of the Negative(magnetic) energy of "ALLAH". The Man is a reflection of the ACTIVE principle, while the Woman is the reflection of the RE-ACTIVE principle. BOTH are required to produce the Spark of Life (Electro-Magnetic Energy). However, One form had to precede the other.

If we say that the FEMALE form preceded the MALE form, then we have to ask just HOW could this take place when hers is a REACTIVE Nature. This does not make her LESS than the Male...not at all. But we are going after the PROCESS by which these things took place.

We can say, the Woman is the first form, for she is the Mother of all Life. Well, HOW did she get Pregnant? Just look at the woman, how she is made. She is a RESPONSIVE Creature...though just as Divine as the Male, and NO LESS sacred. But she is RESPONSIVE. With all of her Life Giving Powers, they are all activated by the MALE principle...ACTION.

If Hers was the initial or primordial form, then there is nothing in her that could produce a Male...having only the "X" Chromosome as a genetic base. Even if we say that a "degeneration" or "defect" took place in the woman, which produced the "Y" Chromosome, then the Law of Cause and Effect demands that the "Y" Chromosome should still be IN the woman. But it is not there, and there is no solid evidence to suggest that it ever was there.

However, the Male carries BOTH the "X" and the "Y", and is the sole determining factor in the GENDER of the children that the Female gives birth to.

In short, all the reasonable evidence suggests that the Male had to be the first Form, and carries within himself the Nature of First Cause; while the Female Form and Nature is one of REACTION or RESPONSE to First Cause.

One need not be a proverbial "rocket scientist" to be able to reason out the truth, however, we must be diligent students of the Nature of things.

AGAIN, this is not an EVALUATION designed to compare the value of one to the value of the other. No...that would be foolish. It is merely an explanation of a Process. Nothing more.

I realize that there are other views which do not coincide with the one just explained, and I am sure that we will be graced with some of them.
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Dunno about spiritually but biologically all mammals (that includes us) are originally female. Its the blueprint of life. When you were a little limbless zygote or whatever you were female until the appropriate hormones kicked in and started playing with you sex chromosones switching on enzyme makers that turned you into a developing male baby. Thats why you still have nipples.
The Y chromosone is just an X with a lil piece missing. Therefore X was first...

Also this is not conjecture or reasoning, its observed stuff that has been seen inthe wombsof pregnant women. Doctors have seen and observed this.






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Being that i wasnt there ,if you look at whats consistent with these times females come from males in every specie(even though scientist are now trying to grow babies in males).If we were with out any books to say other wise we would come to the conclusion man comes from woman.Religion teaches uswomen comes from man.Scientist today have discovered that the y chromosome in sperm has 2.8 less genetic material than the x chromosome in the same sperm specimen.In fact theX chromosome is five timeslarger than the y chromosome.To get the y chromosome out of an X you lose one of your points thus the chromosome is defected which is why man has the same components on his body that the woman does.For example the breast and nipples howevermen dont breast feed.And during very early developement of the human embryo there is no anatomical indication of the sex of a child.Women have what is known as mitochondria dna.Men dont.Mitochondrion dna produces nearly all the energy to keep the cell alive.Mitochondria dna is only inherited from the mother.Its not a mixture of both parents genes like nuclear dna so it preserves a family record that isnt scrambled every generation.So if a couple doesnt have a daughter their genes disapear.If a woman fails to have a daughter her genes disapear because the mitochondria dna does not pass on.The same way you are taught that a family name disapears if a son is not born so it is with mitochondria.This was a deliberate attempt by men to suppress the dominating gene in women by placing the philosophy that with out a son the family lineage dies.This is not true if adaughter is not born in the family then your genes disapear because the mitochondria dna can only be inherited by the female of the family.


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Dunno about spiritually but biologically all mammals (that includes us) are originally female. Its the blueprint of life. When you were a little limbless zygote or whatever you were female until the appropriate hormones kicked in and started playing with you sex chromosones switching on enzyme makers that turned you into a developing male baby. Thats why you still have nipples.
The Y chromosone is just an X with a lil piece missing. Therefore X was first...
Also this is not conjecture or reasoning, its observed stuff that has been seen inthe wombsof pregnant women. Doctors have seen and observed this.
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DM, if that's all you can say after reading what was posted, then perhaps you should read it again....Perhaps a little more carefully this time.
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This is not about which "chromosome" came first. This is about which form came first.
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Post imported post - 17-02-05, 10:43 PM

I could easily say the same thing right back, read what I said.

You mentioned the chromosones so I picked up on that....

Anyway.

The female from came first.

After the sex hormones switch you on, and its not just testosterone or oestrogen, there are others too, they make you develop into a man. Your brain structure changes and so does your body (genetalia). The other changes are latent and occur in puberty but the pituary has already been set from this time, like a ticking clock.

The deeper part of your question is basically another way of asking about our origins, religion v science and thats been done to death. If you believe God picked up mud breatheed into it and called it adam then took his bone out and made eve thats cool. Then you will obviously believe man came first and is the blueprint because the book says so and women come from your rib.
If you believe the other way then you imagine thatasexualprimitive creaturesdeveloped seperate sexes in the same manner the plants did (for variation) and then evolved into more complex beings like vetebrates. You will then assume that the original form isfemale because the scientists andobservations say so.

It depends entirely on your leanings and mindset beforehand, as to what you will think.


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Read it again, Please.

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Can the woman perform the act of child birth with out the male?YES.It was obviously the original way and in cases still happens tothis day.The process by which it happens is the bartholin gland within the woman which is located on either side of the vaginal orifice that secretes a lubricating mucus and are equvalent to the bulbourethral glands in the male which is located below the prostrate and it discharges a component of the seminal fluid into the urethra.The prostrate secretes a thin milky fluid with a characteristic odor;this fluid constitutes the greater part of the semen that is deposited in the female vagina and that contains spermatozoa.So a women is capable of reproducing seminal fluids on her own internally without thehelp of a males sperm.The female through her love and compassion for their offspring and attraction to his masculinity grew a fondness to her male offsping andshe eventually wanted to give birth to the same genes as her offspring and thus she used his genes to create a duplicate of him and her to make the bond closer.As generations went by women depended onthe male for reproduction and she lost knowledge of reproducing on her own.


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Oh really? Please show us a woman who impregnated herself, from her own essence.
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We must remember. The Seen is only a reflection of the UNSeen. If the Nature of Woman (Ma'at, Mater, Material, Matter, Mother) was that of First Cause, then that Nature of First Cause would still be seen in her behaviour and expression today. She is a RECEPTIVE creature, RESPONSIVE...She gives NO Life until and AFTER she is ACTED ON by the Male principle.
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It was not the original way. Vertebrates were not asexual ever. Veterbrates do not reproduce without males.

Single celled organisms do that, or simple life forms like a sea cucumber or urchin or something.

What you have said has no basis in anything. Just rambling.


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Salaam (Peace) to all...

Just wanted to say, before it gets too heated...lol...I appreciate the responses so far.

Mind Sharpens Mind, like Steel sharpens Steel.

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