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18-03-05, 02:34 PM
^^ The difference is that with the bible, the corruptions and multiple versions are clear, proven and apparant.... This is not a difference of interpretation or translation, it is an issue of many different books all claiming to be the true source.
but this is not the case with the Qur'an.
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18-03-05, 06:00 PM
if the Bible (the true word of God) is corrupted then so is the koran which based itself on the Bible.
@ahmaad... nice quote however how come you didnt highlight 1 corinthians ch11 v14 where it states that a womans covering is her hair ....just wondered.
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18-03-05, 09:04 PM
1 corinthians
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But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
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But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
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For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
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For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
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For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
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Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
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Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
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Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
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But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
therefore 11:5 seems to imply that a woman, no matter what length her hair, who prays without her head being covered is as good as her head shaven. 11:15 seems to imply only that a womans long, key word, hair is given to her for a covering but coupled with 11:5 she should still be covered when praying and or prophesieth. therefore the difference between 11:5 and 11:15 is that 11:5 speaks universally whereas 11:15 speaks specifically to 11:14 in the case of men and women with long hair. 11:14 advices against long hair for men and 11:15 advices for long hair for women. i guess it may be some way to tell the sexes apart at first glance, but what do i know.
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18-03-05, 09:17 PM
in responce to those who have said that some muslims do not understand what they are saying, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. speaking in tongues is practised in the christian community yet noone can say what is being said.
the statement relating to the people in the after life where there is light emanating from their faces etc. this is not claiming that these people will be white, arab or anything else for that matter. what it is saying is that due to their life on this earth and their inherent good, in the after life there will be a light coming from their face. therefore there is nothing to argue there, the text speaks for itself.
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19-03-05, 12:29 AM
...and the reference to thoses faces that are dark, do not mean "BLACK" as in literal colour, but instead means dark as in dull and bleak.
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...and the reference to thoses faces that are dark, do not mean "BLACK" as in literal colour, but instead means dark as in dull and bleak.
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how do i know that? according to you...i should interpret it in accordance to what is being said..not implied...
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but we will get into this later..i have many exams
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about the quran the sunnah and the hadiths..
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19-03-05, 08:58 AM
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^^ The difference is that with the bible, the corruptions and multiple versions are clear, proven and apparant.... This is not a difference of interpretation or translation, it is an issue of many different books all claiming to be the true source.
but this is not the case with the Qur'an.
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Just something to think about.....................
While modern Muslims may be committed to an impossibly conservative position, Muslim scholars of the early years of Islam were far more flexible, realizing that parts of the Koran were lost, perverted, and that there were many thousand variants which made it impossible to talk of the Koran. For example, As-Suyuti (died 1505), one of the most famous and revered of the commentators of the Koran, quotes Ibn ‘Umar al Khattab as saying: "Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Quran, for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Quran has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available’" (As-Suyuti, Itqan, part 3, page 72). A’isha, the favorite wife of the Prophet, says, also according to a tradition recounted by as-Suynti, "During the time of the Prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be two hundred verses when read. When ‘Uthman edited the copies of the Quran, only the current (verses) were recorded" (73).
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19-03-05, 03:56 PM
There are many different Bibles.
Different editions, different translations, different concordances, different combinations of books.
And I don't have to go to Rome or Damascus to find them either.
I can go right over to the local book store and find several different types of bibles each with their own interpretation and points of view.
But Alfred Hitch-cocked said: However....
I have only seen ONE KORAN structured in ONE WAY my entire life.
Some said the Shiites had another Koran, but I haven't seen it.
Even God challenges man to produce another type or version of the Koran if it can be done:
"And if you are in doubt about what We have revealed to Our worshiper, then produce a chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful. And if you do not do it, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones."
(Quran, 2:23-25)
Seriously, can someone show me or direct me to a Koran structured differently from the world currently in use around the globe?
Where can I find it?
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19-03-05, 04:45 PM
i found this link informative as it offered a comparitive between two books
http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/ess...korantorah.htm
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19-03-05, 06:21 PM
Shucksssss.....:P
I clicked on those links thinking I'd actually be able toREAD a differnt version of the Koran as I was curious myself.
Instead those sites seem to dwell more on the INTERPRETATION of certain scriptures when translated into English rather than the actual Arabic scripture itself.
It doesn't even provide the"differentKorans" for us to compare.
Again, I can easily find different Bibles...but have yet to find different versions of the Koran even on the internet.
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19-03-05, 07:26 PM
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Shucksssss.....:P
I clicked on those links thinking I'd actually be able toREAD a differnt version of the Koran as I was curious myself.
Instead those sites seem to dwell more on the INTERPRETATION of certain scriptures when translated into English rather than the actual Arabic scripture itself.
It doesn't even provide the"differentKorans" for us to compare.
Again, I can easily find different Bibles...but have yet to find different versions of the Koran even on the internet.
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do the english language versions of the koran translate exactly what is in arabic. does it continue in the poetry prose spoken of by many
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