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1 Corinthians: chapter 14

34"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church"




blkwonderWonder who inspired that verse...IceBerg Slims?

King James Version of the Bible
Book of 1 Corinthians
Chapter 14

14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

14:35
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

3. We believe in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

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Sheik Jamal:

Ok..chapter 14...

Thanx for the correction.





107:

Minister Mase!

Welcome back.

really?

so do they mean preach.......or just generally speaking in the church ie darling pass me the Bible.

This scripture shows you the type of sexiest attitude toward women at the time. The scripture itself says "if the women should learn anything" implying that a women wont know much. This is the type of stuff years ago that turned me away fromreligions likeIsraelites besides the multiple wife thing. I can not be apart of any group or belief that limits or encourages ignorance in women. Not being able to ask questions is like your auditing the class and in that case your not learning the lessons, your studying the teacher, the students a few points and the repoire of the class. I know in lots of societys today and in the ancient world may have saw ignorance and not much knowledge as a virtue in a women but thats the mindset of an insecure person that needs everyone around him to be dumber or lesser then him so he or she can feel superior and in control.

My mother tried to explain it to me when i was young and she said they should be quiet because the babies might start crying and that will disturb the other people and she would have to leave. Me being the inquisitive kid that i was ask many versions of the same question like "what if you don't have kids or shes old"? "or what if her kids are not there or grown?."She said since the pastor would be there and would know more then everybody she could just chill and let the pastor talk" " Im like what if she knows alot too, as much as the pastor or even more, why can't she be the pastor?" At that point my mother just kind of gave up because i can see in her eyes it didnt even make sense to her.

Asks yourself why is it really ashame if a woman thats intelligent has something to add or a question, why shouldnt she be allowed to ask in church or whereverand be limited to the knowledge her husband gives her? Sounds like a mental prison to me.Even if shes not that bright she could have something insightful to add or a question that might help her own knowledge and her husband don't know either? Its not like every man is super intelligent but they respect that he can have valuable jewels to add even if they dont agree, why it can't be the same for women? Of course it should be at the right time to talk and ask questions and not in the middle of a sermon and you cutting people off or something.

Interesting one this one. My Pastor preached one day that one of the first evangelist was a woman, Jesus telling the woman at the well to go tell the people of village that he had come.

The scripture writes, she ran into the village saying, "Come see a man, who tell me all things whatsoever I ever did".

Then you have Aquilla and Priscilla, who both spoke to Apollos concerning is doctrine and showed him a more excellent way.

Man and woman compliment one another and the bible does not stray from this.

What I think it does try to keep in tact is the order, that man is the head of his home, as Christ the head of the church. And man is not head of Christ but Christ the head of man (in terms of the church).

I don't believe that a woman cannot preach, because I have sat down and heard some women preach and anointed by God as they preach, my spirit bearing witness that what they spoke was of God and from him. God is no respector of persons, be it male or female.. He will use the vessel that is willing.

I myself recieved the Holy Ghost under the prayer of a woman.

That scripture was dealing with the church at Corinth a church filled with much problems.. The letter was again addressed to Corinth, Paul did not write this same thing to the church at Rome, or Ephesus as though this was a strict rule.

At Corinth they also had the problems of many standing and prophesying all at once, Paul said this made the church seem to unlookers as barbaric. So he said let one stand and prophesy, let the other stand to interpret if need be.. Let the rest remain silent.

If you have been in a church where you have prophesying and speaking in tongues, you will understand why some of these things are said, and yes they are for us today not just Corinth. However understand that Paul was dealing with specific problems in that church.

Indeed there was even a man that had commited adultery laying with his Father's wife, and was not put out by the church.

That is my view on that.
Yet this same Paul acknowledged in his letter to Timothy that the gift that Timothy had, had first begun in his mother... Paul was not sexist !!!

SoooFresh:

The reason why so many women think Christianity is such a more "tolerant" religion than Islam...is because very few if any Christians actually practice all of what they're commanded to do in their bible.

They simply ignore what they are instructed to do and call on "Jesus" to save them from hell.

Women aren't supposes to SPEAK in the church and this was the case throughout the early church right up until the last few centuries when women started gaining civil rights in the West.

If you look at old pictures of women going to church in the last century...you'd find most of them wore hats to church.

This is because the bible says in 1 Corinthians chapter 13 that women are supposed to have their heads covered and veiled during religious service.

Also, the habit men had in the West of taking their hats off in a building as a sign or respect comes from this verse.


Christians aren't supposed to eat pork either...and are to pray MULTIPLE times a day also just like Muslims...they just don't do it.


Instead of acknowledging when they violate the rules of their own religion...they choose to ignore them and play ignorant.

I've been both a Christian AND a Muslim so I know how both operate.







Chubby Chix:

Actually I agree with you.
I think women should be able to speak in religious houses. Theres is nothing in the Koran that says they can't.

The Koran also encourages all human beings to READ and follow the instructions given to them for a better life. You can't follow instructions unless you are able to read them.

Little girls from a young age are taught to memorize the Koran in some cultures.

You can't do this unless you are able to READ first.

Yet this verse in the bible tells women that they should only learn what they need from their husbands.






Dimoke:


They mean preaching Soofresh......my dad once had a whole congregation walk out of the church because my mother was gone preach about domestic violence and the the tempering of the Bible on the relationships between men and women......she believed that the sissy Europeans tempered with it to suit their own purpose....especially when it came to controling women!


What part of LET YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENT do you have a hard time understanding?

How can a person SPEAK and KEEP SILENT at the same time?

You can't manipulate these plainly written verses....they are what they are.

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[align=center]That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;[/align]
[align=center]Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,[/align]
[align=center]Your young men shall see visions,[/align]
[align=center]Your old men shall dream dreams.[/align]
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Leviticus 11:1-7

And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

Ah, yes, of course... one ofMoses' 300-odd laws.

Well, I'm a Christian, which means I by and large follow the teachings of Christ. I believe that Christ had the authority from His Father to modify, for want of a better word, a lot of the teachings of Moses ie, "an eye for an eye" is replaced with "turn the other cheek".

Likewise, whilst many things were forbidden for the Israelites, the blood of Christ will wash away iniquities

[align=center]The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near a city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.[/align]
[align=center]Then he became hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance[/align]
[align=center]and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.[/align]
[align=center]In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.[/align]
[align=center]And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."[/align]
[align=center]But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."[/align]
[align=center]And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."[/align]
[align=center]This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.[/align]
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[align=left]Which takes me back to Romans Ch 14. If you genuinely don't believe there's anything wrong with it, simply bless it/pray over it, and get stuck in.[/align]