Islam the saviour for the black race - Page 2

KANOBI · (#26 (**permalink**))

jamal786 wrote:

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^^ Which One!

If the father, son and holy ghost are titles of ONE god, then why did only ONE of them DIE on the cross while the two others lived.

If they are ONE god, then how did Jesus DIE but was ressurected by the Father.

Or are you saying that they are ONE god, therefore all DIED on the cross, and none were left to perform a ressurection.

1+1+1=3.. NOT 1+1+1=1

Bible and Quran tells us:

YaHuWaH Eloh(im) - HuwaAllah - He is Allah

Surah 112. The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.

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Hey you can play ignnorant if you want but I believe in one infinateGod unlimited by time and space seems you don't. You believe god is a finite object somewhere in the universe.

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My God is perfect yours is not!

KANOBI · (#27 (**permalink**))

Noexcuses Jamal read this!

http://www.muhammadanism.com/Trinity/UnityTrinity.htm

http://www.muhammadanism.com/Trinity...aq_trinity.pdf

Ahmaad · (#28 (**permalink**))

Jaz

How do you figure not?

Where in the old testament does it say anything about religion. It talks about worship but not religion. Religion was mans creation and will be his down fall. There are many countries that have religious beginings and will soon end, besides I said the down fall of man not a country

Come on now brutha...

To say religion wasn't mentioned in the Old Testament is like saying law wasn't mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.

All the Old Testament was about was religion; then the New Testament came along with the doctrine of salvation.

Besides, worship is part of religion and only found within the confines of a religion.

Kuruption

if islaam is so great why havent you guys gone out to live in a muslim country under shraih?why are muslims flocking to the west from their muslim countries?

Because the whole world belongs to God and He gave it to us to maintain and cultivate.

If Christianity is so great how come you ain't back-packing it to the Vatican?

If you need a job, Iheard there was a position now open....

can you name me one muslim country that is exceptional in hjuman rights,corruption,violence,womens rights,barbaric acts of punishment,freedon of religion,civil war?

Can you name ANY?

you guys think islam will help you ,well what s it done so far in the existing countries?think about which countries are in war rite now?which religion is involved?

I know of a certain Christian country that's at war with 2 Muslim ones, is occupying a mostly Christian one in Africa, toppled the president and took over a Catholic one in the Caribbean, and is planning war with an Atheist one.

All under the leadership of a "born again" Christian.

TheStudent · (#29 (**permalink**))

Time for some facts -

Murder rates:
from - http://www.parapundit.com/archives/c...di_arabia.html

'Saudi Arabia (1999)- 22 million population and 616 murders that would be a murder rate of 2.8 per 100,000. That is still only HALF the murder rate of the United States'

Now, in which country, Saudi or USA, will you find more christians?

And in the UK, with a VAST christian population, how many single mothers are there? How many do you think are in Saudi Arabia?

Islam, even at the low point in its history that it is in now, is STILL producing people that are PURER and LESS prone to commiting CRIME. how can you argue with the FACTS above?

authordox · (#30 (**permalink**))

kurupzion wrote:

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if islaam is so great why havent you guys gone out to live in a muslim country under shraih?why are muslims flocking to the west from their muslim countries?

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You may a good point, but you have to understand that there is a different in Islam and what Muslims practice. Remember imperialism has effected most Muslim countries, and although many of the countries have practicing Muslims in them the governments are usually puppet governments that have been put there by the west.

can you name me one muslim country that is exceptional in hjuman rights,corruption,violence,womens rights,barbaric acts of punishment,freedon of religion,civil war?

The best example of that is Malyasia which is a Muslim country and it has a good record on Human rights.

you guys think islam will help you ,well what s it done so far in the existing countries?think about which countries are in war rite now?which religion is involved?

how can soo much bad fruitcome from something you consider a good seed?its not possible unless that the seed is bad in the first place.

You have to understand that most wars are nothing to do with religion its to do with oil and other raw materials.

Take Sudan for instance they now have oil. they went to China for help in bulding their oil infrastructure, the west were not happy about that because they were being cut out. So they have been supporting the rebels in the south with arms to unstabalise the country. They want to go into Sudan for the oil and other raw materials.

They went into Afghanistan for the raw materials as well, the same thing is happening in Chechnia there is valuable raw materials that the soviets want, thats why they are killing them.

America and the US claim to be free countries but if you look at most of the killing that goes on in the world its these same people.

The reason why you see so many Muslims coming here is because their lands have been ravished by war. And the main culprits are the west. Sept 11th was the start of the new world order you people have to wake up and realise whats going on. Islam is being attacked everywhere because it stands for truth.

The quran which was brought by the prophet Muhammed (saw) is the book of truth which has not been changed for 1400 years ago.

Islam is the only religion that will not except modern trends for example the rise of homosexuality, other religions bend to the pressure of society Islam only bends in worship to Allah the most high.

Who has no partners, no sons or daughters and is not a man.

peace to all

girl21 · (#31 (**permalink**))

i think religions are pointless and often divide people.

how can a rules, rituals or a priest make you any closer to God.

if everyone listened to their conscience and did the right things in life then God's will shall be done. any man/woman would know in their heart that adultery, theft and murder etc are wrong- dont need a religion to tell them that.

while i think religions are unnecessary, i appreciate that they allow many people to find God who might not otherwise, so shouldbe accepted. if a christian and muslim are living good then why should one be wrong and one be right?

i believe we'll all find out the truth in the end so for now lets just love God and each other.

jaziasha · (#32 (**permalink**))

Jaz

How do you figure not?

Where in the old testament does it say anything about religion. It talks about worship but not religion. Religion was mans creation and will be his down fall. There are many countries that have religious beginings and will soon end, besides I said the down fall of man not a country

Come on now brutha...

To say religion wasn't mentioned in the Old Testament is like saying law wasn't mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.

All the Old Testament was about was religion; then the New Testament came along with the doctrine of salvation.

Besides, worship is part of religion and only found within the confines of a religion.

O.K. show me. If it was so aboundant show me. The Old Testamentwasn't about religion it was about truth and faith. You don't need religion to worship just truth and faith. So if you don't have a religion then you cannot worship? That seems a little crazy to say that because I will not become or align myself with some religious faction that I can't worship.

ThenYahshua did not worship? What was his religion? What church did he belong to? None and None. Besides religion has nothing to do with the truth, you can believe in whatever you want but if it is not truth it is worthless.

I know what the word means. it is actually a latin word that if you break it down means to reconnect, so please don't try to give me the meaning.

Maybe I should say the different religions, the hundreds of them will be our down fall, that may be more correct.

TheStudent · (#33 (**permalink**))

girl21,
you have spoken some truth here.
i would like to read your thoughts to ths post:
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackf...m26/10663.html

BUT

EVERYONE follows some sort of religion. it doesnt have to always be God based. for example, some peoples religion is football - their gods are the players, stadiums are their mosques and chants are their prayers.

authordox · (#34 (**permalink**))

salams Ahmad what you sending about not following the Islam of the east is true.

Islam does not belong to any nation it belongs to Allah.

It is also a very personal thing Allah says in the quran those that will be sucessful on the day of judgement are those that come to me with a purified soul.

Many people think you have to look to the east for Islam, no you don't you only have to look within.

Ahmaad · (#35 (**permalink**))

Jaz

O.K. show me. If it was so aboundant show me. The Old Testament wasn't about religion it was about truth and faith. You don't need religion to worship just truth and faith. So if you don't have a religion then you cannot worship? That seems a little crazy to say that because I will not become or align myself with some religious faction that I can't worship.

Then Yahshua did not worship? What was his religion? What church did he belong to? None and None. Besides religion has nothing to do with the truth, you can believe in whatever you want but if it is not truth it is worthless.

I know what the word means. it is actually a latin word that if you break it down means to reconnect, so please don't try to give me the meaning.

Brutha what you just gave me was the etymology of the word religion, not the definition.

It's important that I give you the definition so that you may have the proper understanding of what religion means and how the Old Testament COMMANDS religion.

Religion is:
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

See, you said it was about truth and faith and the definition too agrees that it's about faith.

But it's also about worhip and observance.

Now look at what God commands of His people in the Old Testament:

Exodus 33:10 - And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door.

Exodus 4:31 - And the people believed: and when they heard that the LORD had visited the children of Israel, and that he had looked upon their affliction, then they bowed their heads and worshipped

Exodus 12:17 - And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.

Exodus 31:16 - Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 34:22 - And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

Leviticus 19:37 - Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: I am the LORD.

So see, although the word religion isn't mentioned, the PRACTICE of religious duty and ritual is mandatory.

Authordox

Many people think you have to look to the east for Islam, no you don't you only have to look within.

Salaams black...

I agree, all we need is Koran and a pure heart.

ChubbiChix · (#36 (**permalink**))

Nope, I definitly disagree. For some, Islam may help them to change but its definitly not for everyone. Plus since Islam is similiar to the bible and I believe we should do away with all these religions. Since we were taught lies for so long, why continue to believe in them? We should focus more on factual things and science and not more religion. Plus wasnt it Arab muslims that sold a million blacks into slavery? Arabs I spoke with in the middle east don't believe alot of the same things black muslims especially in america. Arabs I spokewith don't believe the original man or the egyptians were black. They believe they were arabs. Even African muslims believe something different then american muslims. I know a muslim from Senegal and he didnt even know who Elijah muhammad or F muhmmad was.

To me Islam is cool for those who feel they need it to have mental peace but its not for everyone. I seen in the news a women getting stoned to death for adultry in africa. Although I wished we lived in a moral society but I wouldn't want to live under a law like that. Thats madness.

Taysense · (#37 (**permalink**))

ChubbyChik

Don't compare Islaam and Christianity, and don't assume just because the bible contains discrepenasies and too many fallacies that Islaam is similar in style. That's a common misconception with a lot of you self-professed atheists , until you give Islaam a fair chance please refrain from passing judgement especially when your only source is western media.