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14-04-05, 03:43 PM
So what!!
your the student-your STILL Learning
my opinion should be respected just like your measly comments
Yeah and what!!!! if u dont like it then go suck on a dippi
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15-04-05, 11:48 AM
as im sure youve heard before, respect isnt GIVEN its EARNED.
and what are you going to do to EARN it?
YaHuWaH Eloh(im) - HuwaAllah - He is Allah
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15-04-05, 08:34 PM
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Bin laden will kill us all before that happens.
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The 'powers that be' have the muslims, all the muslims weighted and measured. Nothing can or will happen, in the western worldoutside of their (wp) design.
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I repeat that our freedom isn't in the hands of man ( christianity or islam ).
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16-04-05, 02:11 PM
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Bernard Lewis in "The Arabs in History" writes: "polytheists and idolaters were seen primarily as sources of slaves."
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Polytheists and idolaters are still slaves to this day!!
Although there are truths buried in the Bible and Koran, the original centerpiece is removed and replaced with various idols. I look over to the area of the Middle-East and see those Muslims who follow Islam and I see death, destruction and corruption. I look into Africa and see African converts to Christianity and I see death, destruction and corruption!
Death, destruction, corruption, suffering is not a part of Yahweh God's will for his people and followers! No one can tell me that it is when all that I see is curses upon these believer of idols than blessings. Of his promise was prosperity, righteousness, and life. I'm not seeing it in any of these false (spiritual) religions. Jesus is the Greek "Ieous, son of Zeus" who isn't Yahsua and Allah the Moon God suppose to be the supreme being when the supreme being is more like the sun (bright removing darkness) than the moon, a satellite that is passive to the sun. Worship the idols if you wish, but it will only lead to destruction, which all the idol nations are plagued by and will be continued to be plagued by.
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16-04-05, 04:53 PM
In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower
Salaam (Peace) to all.
First, we are not a "race". A "race" has a beginning and an ending, since it is an offshoot from the Original. This does not apply to us, the Original People.
We are Created from the Primordial, Eternal Essence of the Universe; which is why it is said in symbolic terms, we are the "alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the ending". Not that we have a beginning and ending, but we ARE "the" beginning and ending.
As the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us, about our Father - the Originator, "He created Himself out of that which comes last, so there will never be a last to Himself." Therefore, there will never be a "last" to us who are Naturally descended from that ONE. We are not a "race".
Second, to be in a state of complete submission to, or harmony with, the Divine Universal Order - in thought, word and deed- (which is what "Islam" really means) is absolutely our Salvation.
We just have to exert the mental energy to separate the True Essence of Islam from the poison of "arab imperialism", which is really another form of "white supremacy".
Victory is for the Strong. Nothing worth having comes easy.
RM
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17-04-05, 10:25 PM
This is stupid if the so called islam religion is the saviour for the black people then why is somalia such a f*cked up country, people are not making peace with one another their tribes come before their religon!
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17-04-05, 11:43 PM
If a man stabs you in the eye with a toothbrush, do you blame the toothbrush and consequently stop using them? Or, do you blame the man who stabbed you, and stay clear of him?
I say, use the "toothbrush", but stay clear of those wish to harm you with it.
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18-04-05, 07:47 AM
Is Islam the solution for the black race? Well firstly the whole concept of race is a social creation as science and genetics do not support there being different races of people, but then again science can not teach us how to treat each other so with that said is Islam the true way? Well:
1. We would shed our developed Western names and mentalities and pursue a faith that was originally ours, or would we? Well not really instead we would now adopt Arabic names and Arabic dress and Arabic culture, how originally Black African that would beconfused3, yes, I get it we would abandon the names and ways of our white slavemasters of the past and adopt the names and ways of our Arab slavemasters, that makes perfect sense(please note extreme sarcasm). And the language, we would speak, name our children and pray in one of two languages of the Afro-Asiatic language family that did not develop in Africa, its all making sense now. I mean forget Christianity and how Jesus wanted people of every tribe and nation, meaning we would keep our unique identities, dress and languagesand still be in God's love, thats not for us, because we want a faith that unites the black race under a language, culture and belief system emphasizing the superiority of a largely non-black, non-African people and under a "white" prophet (see:Sahih al Bukhari vol.1 no.63, vol.2 no.122 and vol.2 no.141 if you dont believe me).
2. And how fair Islam is, I mean women would be treated so great, so great in fact their testimonies in court would only count for half that of a man's and in inheritance we would give them a whole half of what a male gets(Surahs 2:228, 2:282, & 4:11). And let us not forget that up to four wives would be able to share just one of us men(Surah 4:3) and that we would make sure they stay in line by the virtuous acts of admonishing them, refusing to share a bed with them, and beating them(Surah 4:34). And heck if were lucky maybe we would be able to marry nine years old girls when were over 40just like Mohammed. And when we would go away on business or to fight wars we would ensure our wife or wives of the fact that we will still be satisfied since the practice of Mu'tah marriage(a form of temporary marriage based on men's sexual urges and their fulfillment while away from home)would ensure that we have female company for a few days and not feel too lonely, can you imagine that Jesus wants us to treat older women as mothers and younger women as sisters?(1Timothy 5:1-2).But of course, no one could match the respect for women we would have under Islam, after all we would consider them our "tilth" and no matter what activity they would be engaged in even making our dinner(which we no doubt politely asked for) they would have to submit to our advances, imagine what an honor that must be(Surah 2:223). I mean can you imagine what Jesus wanted for us, he told us to love and honor the wife as we are suppose to become one with her(Ephesians 5:25-31). Oh but Islam has no room for that, I almost forgot. Also Jesus seems to say that women are equal to men in mind(1Peter 3:7-8) but this cant be because Mohammed said women are deficient in the mind, right? And besided Jesus values marriage and would not approve of mu'tah marriage after allhe did say to honor marriage and remain faithful(Hebrews 13:4) and that even looking at another women with lust was adultery(Matthew 5:28). But this is not for us.
3. Let us not forget the greattreatment of others, I mean as Muslims all unbelievers would only be at risk of violence from us(Surah 2:191, 9:5, 5:34). We would conquer them and if they did not convert enforce a special jizya tax for them(Surahs 9:29-30, 5:51)thats not too bad. If we were to develop our own nation(s) they(unbelievers) would not be welcome but hey we could go to their land and even lie about our faith(Surahs 5:89, 16:106, 3:28) if its for a good cause of course because after all Allah is the best of decievers(Surah 8:30). And for those choosing to leave the faith, the apostates, we would make sure they "depart" (i.e. die) early unless they recant of course(Surah 9:12). But to be fair lets see what else is out there, Jesus and the bible for example. It appears the main objective of a Christian would be to live a Godly life, faith, love, perseverence and gentleness(1Timothy6:11). Gentleness? no we must always be at odds and be strict on unbelievers and apostates right? The bible also says to forgive as Christ has forgiven(Ephesians 4:31-32), but this is not a good principle to follow, is it? I mean, he even wants us to help, love and pray for our enemies(Romans 12:20, Luke 6:27-29) but we couldnt do that after all where does Allah say that in the Koran, right? Come one, lets just compare Mohammed and Jesus, when Jesus was rejected by the Samaritans he refused to destroy them as his very-human disciples requested, even when he was crucified he did not scorn his enemies but instead forgave them. Mohammed on the other hand meant business, when the 120 year old Abu Afak critisized him he had him killed, and when the mother of five Asma Marwan wrote offensive poetry about him he had her killed, while she slept nursing her child, the sign of a strong and determined prophet perhaps?
4. And let us not forget how much the "prophet" Mohammed respected us, so much so that he had cute nicknames for us black people such as "raisin heads" and "pug-nosed"(Sahih al Bukhari vol.1 no. 662, vol. 9 no. 256, Sahih Moslem vol.9 pgs. 46&47). And those followers of his, they just perpetuated that respect, so much so that they marched approximately 9 to 14 million African slaves(mostly women)across thepleasantly scorchingterrain of the Sahara and into the domain of the Arab empire where women would often double as maids and concubines and boys and men would become eunuchs(after being castrated of course). Many Arabs have so much respect for black people to this day that a common term used to reference a black person is abweed(abd) which translates to "slave." But hey as Muslims we could look past this, after all it was only those barbaric Christian white slave traders that could truly commit such evil, right?
- If you did not catch it, practically all I had tosay was extremely sarcastic, Jesus Christ and theBible are the only true way for black people and all people period. After all the indifference and suffering we have endured as a people throughout our history, especially for the past 500 years(1500 if you were within reach of the Arab Muslims) how could we turn right back and embrace a faith which at the surface encourages prayer, spirituality and faith and service to God but at its heart persecutes and condemns those who believe differently, happen to be born a woman, or do not become "Arab" in a sense, all under this same god.Jesus wants us and will meet with us in prayer where ever we are, but Allah wants tocontrols us and makes us pray to the supposedly holy city of Mecca, an Arabic, non-African place. Not that it should matter whether it is African or not, which its not, or whether Muhammed was black or not, which hes not. Afterall if an African was not the first one to write down 2 + 2=4, would that mean it is not true for us? Of course not, my point is that what matters is truth, aboslute truth, like the absolute truth of Jesus's love for all man(male and female) and though many have committed atrocities in the name of God, they have no justication for their actions in Christ and will someday have to answer for their actions because itsas Jesus once said: sinners are slaves to sin(John 8:34). Let us not be slaves to the sin of following Islam but instead we should let the son set us free and we will be free indeed(John 8:36) in Christ.
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18-04-05, 10:43 AM
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In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower
Salaam (Peace) to all.
First, we are not a "race". A "race" has a beginning and an ending, since it is an offshoot from the Original. This does not apply to us, the Original People.
We are Created from the Primordial, Eternal Essence of the Universe; which is why it is said in symbolic terms, we are the "alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the ending". Not that we have a beginning and ending, but we ARE "the" beginning and ending.
As the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us, about our Father - the Originator, "He created Himself out of that which comes last, so there will never be a last to Himself." Therefore, there will never be a "last" to us who are Naturally descended from that ONE. We are not a "race".
Second, to be in a state of complete submission to, or harmony with, the Divine Universal Order - in thought, word and deed- (which is what "Islam" really means) is absolutely our Salvation.
We just have to exert the mental energy to separate the True Essence of Islam from the poison of "arab imperialism", which is really another form of "white supremacy".
Victory is for the Strong. Nothing worth having comes easy.
RM
I understandwhat your saying but human life as it is today has a begining and end just like everything eles in existance. even the sun, planetsand stars have a begining and end why wouldn't we? Plus I've heard some one in the past say the originator created himself, What does that mean? Especially since you said he created himself with which came last, what does that mean? It makes me think of an egg creating itself.
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18-04-05, 12:16 PM
Arf! It's amusing tosee that most black people think anybody and anythingbut black people can be a saviour for the race.
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18-04-05, 01:24 PM
Islam is also very rasist, Remember the Arabs we the first slave traders of africa.
Us black folk will be not be brainwashed to support the religious war. Let the Arabs fight their own battle. We battle the enslavement of black people in the Carribean and dismantle the apartheid regime without committing such atrocious crime which the Arabs are using to fight their battle.
Islam is not the answer. God is the answer
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18-04-05, 02:38 PM
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Islam is also very rasist, Remember the Arabs we the first slave traders of africa.
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With all due respect to your position, you cannot prove from the Holy Qur'an that Islam is racist, because nothing in the Holy Qur'an condones such evil.
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If your only evidence is the behaviour of Arabs, then you should say "arabs are racist."
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