'God manifested himself as Jesus'
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cant you see that this simply dosent make sense!

answer me this -
Does God eat, sleep or need rest?

Did Jesus eat, sleep or need rest?

read:
"He(God) will not let your foot slip- he who watches over you will not slumber; indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.-PSALM 121-3-4

i am using SIMPLE logic here, the answer is obvious.

God, being the CREATOR has expicitly taught, in bible and quran, not to associate ANY of His CREATION with him.
Answer this: IS God UNIQUE - in attributes, power and LKENESS? Does He LOOK like any of His creation?

SO why the need for a SON!? Does God contradic Himself ever?

read the 2nd commandment:

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image of any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments" (Ex. 20: 4-5).

BUT yet we see MILLIONS of christians with IMAGES of Jesus on their walls and CHURCHS!!
THE HYPOCRISY IS KILLING ME!!

blak buttafly wrote: jamal786 wrote: ^^ If the father, son and holy ghost are titles of ONE god, then why did only ONE of them DIE on the cross while the two others lived.

If they are ONE god, then how did Jesus DIE but was ressurected by the Father.

Or are you saying that they are ONE god, therefore all DIED on the cross, and none were left to perform a ressurection.

1+1+1=3.. NOT 1

Soz Jamal jus getn bak to ya. Yes the three are titles. God the father is our creator. God manifested himself as Jesus, who is our saviour. The Holy spirit is the indwelling spirit. There are all 1. Listen as an example if you were to go to the hospital and ask to see your father, they would then ask you who is your father, by which you would then respond by giving them a name. The same here. When Jesus died on the cross it was for man to see his humility in that he died for OUR sins however when he rose he came back as the holy spirit. When we die we will not see three, we will see God but in the appearance of Jesus the form in which he came down to earth. The Holy spirit.niceone.gif



thankyou!!! I think this is were alot of people get confused..they dont understand the the difference between a title and a "person"...this most likely has to deal with their ultimate rejection of God.

God is not three persons..He is one GOD...We dont worship him as three...


Thanks for the response, but that wasnt full answer. The question remains,

If the father, son and holy ghost are titles of ONE god, then why did only ONE of them DIE on the cross while the two others lived.

If they are ONE god, then how did Jesus DIE but was ressurected by the Father.

Or are you saying that they are ONE god, therefore all DIED on the cross, and none were left to perform a ressurection.

1+1+1=3.. NOT 1+1+1=1

I follow God. --not religion.

Allow me to share my thoughts and I hope they please you;

Do something completely random and NICE, for someone, with no thought of reward for yourself.

*get a treat for your parents, your partner, friends, *

Notice the "glowing" warm feeling, which you get inside when you see them smile with appreciation.

The feeling you get from doing good deeds, tap into that feeling, understand THAT is the power of God. And the more you accumulate of that feeling, the more of God you draw into your life,

Now, the flip side,

Remember the time; you did something you weren't supposed to? Hurt someone, let someone down, the feelings of guilt pain and sorrow?

Those are the actions that take away God from your soul.

Eventually leaving people in a cold lifeless state of having no God in them, No love. Just cold.

I.e. The thugs, killers, drug dealers, pedophiles, sadamites, gangsters, whores--(yes love is to be given freely, BUT it is PRICELESS in value and shouldn't be sold, --would be like an insult to God, It’s like If I gave you a PRICELESS watch and you sold it for £50.00 understand?.

The only thing you need, to enter the kingdom of God, is to have lots of God in your soul.

That’s it. (full stop.)

Just plenty of GOD/LOVE (same thing) in your soul,

So everyday just STRIVE, to keep your soul full of God and love,

Because you never know when it may be your time..

So keep doing those good actions and topping up the amount of God in your soul, --and you will also find, that you will find your life suddenly improving in AMAZING ways, because, God, has instilled in each of us, a specific guide.

That lies in the depths of our emotions—that’s why we have them, they allow us to taste life, bitter and sweet, and ALSO, it allows us all to stay on the right path of God.

The ideal, for this would be TOTAL SUBMISSION TO GOD. Which is why, I have the greatest respect for the Islamic religion, as this is the heart of the Muslim way of life.

Follow God in you, without fear.

And You'll always be Great!---and so will be the world!

Thank you,

Jason Strachan

jason,

you are a GOD SEND! finally someone who understands the true nature and purpose of man.

i would love to read your thoughts on my post:

http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackf...m26/10663.html

and like i keep saying - you dont have to CALL yourself muslim to be one, just like there are some that DO call themselves Muslim but actually arent -

God came down in the body of Jesus firstly it may be hard for you to comprehend as man has not got the ability to think as him
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so you have the ability? or do you just believe everything you are spoon fed?
the Quran teaches us not JUST to believe. It challanges us to find ways prove it is wrong. this is a challenge that is still open today. it challenges non-believers with- If this (Quran) is not the words of God, then what is it? -
if you have read any of the Quran you will know that whtever thoughts you have about it, it ALREADY has an answer for it. If for example, you think muhammad was nothing but a poet or a madman, it ALREADY knows your thoughts and gives you an answer to your thoughts! The Quran is always a step ahead of you.

do you not know about all of the scientific FACTS in the Quran ?
read:

[21:30] Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be ONE SOLID MASS that we EXPLODED INTO EXISTENCE? And from water we made ALL living things. Would they then not believe?

blak buttafly wrote:

http://www.muhammadanism.com/Gospel/...Monotheism.htm


Demons and Oneness of Allah

[align=center]Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (NIV)[/align]
[align=center]You believe that there is one God.
Good! Even the demons believe that
-- and shudder. James 2:19 (NIV)[/align]

[align=center]انت تؤمن ان الله واØ*د.Ø*سنا تÙ?عل.والشياطين يؤمنون ويقشعرون
يعقوب 2*:‬19 [/align]
Summary: A fundamental tenet of a true religion is the faith of monotheism, i.e., the Oneness of Allah (Tawhid). However, Shaitan and all the demons believe in the Oneness of Allah too. Yet, they will find their eternal destiny in the flames of hell. So, entrance into al-Jannah (Heaven) requires more than affirming the faith of Monotheism. According to the prophets and apostles, it requires atonement for sins and a personal relationship with Allah.

Monotheism is a basic truth that is explicitly taught and defended in the Old and New Testaments. It is a common theme through out the entire Bible. The Holy Scriptures teach numerous other truths too. For example, the scriptures affirm that Allah is the sole Creator of the Universe. All of these truths are vitally important, and human beings are expected to believe them. In addition, there have been numerous individuals in the course of world history who believed these truths, but who never learned these truths from a prophet or a prophet’s writings. The basis of their belief was that the natural creation itself teaches these truths.



The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Psalms 19:1-3 (NIV)

King David wrote in the Psalms that a fool says in his hearts, "There is no God" Psalms 14:1, because the truth of Allah is so obvious from creation's order and design. The Apostle Paul quoted approvingly from pagan Greek poets who believed many excellent truths about Allah (Acts 17:28).

As important as the truth of monotheism or Allah’s Oneness is, it has no salvific value in itself. Believing and defending this truth will not permit entrance into al-Jannah. A person might believe that Allah is Creator, All-Mighty, Supreme, Infinite, Just, One, Lord of the Worlds and still be cast into the flames of Hell. The Apostle James pointed to some individuals who were very proud of their belief in Allah’s Oneness. The Apostle was quick to reply, "Even the demons believe that." Basically, these individuals thought they could ignore the practical instructions of the apostles and prophets because they believed in Allah’s Oneness.



You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that — and shudder. James 2:19 (NIV)

Shaitan and all his hosts of demons are pure monotheist and believe in the Tawhid or Oneness of Allah. Demons are not atheists or polytheists. They believe in the existence of an Allah. Hence, they believe in theism. Even more than mere theism, demons believe in 'one' Allah. Thus, demons believe in pure monotheism. They do not believe in polytheism. Jews, Christians, Muslims, and the infernal demons all belong to the great faith of monotheism. So, it is no wonder that demons have no reason to hinder the preaching of pure monotheism to all the world's population. Yet, they would do everything they could to oppose the gospel of salvation being preached to lost sinners. One form of demonic opposition is the blasphemy laws that some Muslim countries have legislated the freedom to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Salvation and entrance into al-Jannah (heaven) depends upon the forgiveness of sins. This is true for Muslims as well as professing Christians. A person might claim to be a Christian and worship Christ as King, Lord, Teacher, Prophet, and Master and still become fuel for the flames of hell. As sinners, we all must first make sure that our sins have been atoned. The sinner needs to be cleansed from his or her sins before he or she can enter glory. The essential and universal message of the divine prophets is the necessity of atonement for our sins and a personal relationship with Allah.

Believing the truth of Allah’s Oneness has no redemptive value. If it did, then all the demons would be saved and be welcomed into al-Jannah. Even though demons believe in Allah’s Tawhid, they will find themselves in the flames of hell forever! Vastly more important than Allah’s Oneness is Allah’s Salvation of sinners. After the Judgment of the Last Day, every person in hell will believe in Allah’s Oneness. What good will it do them believing in Allah’s Oneness when they are in fiery torments? Absolutely, nothing! The vital question is not Allah’s Oneness, but the question of your many sins and the Final Judgment.

Your begging entrance to al-Jannah because you believed in Allah’s Oneness will be utterly worthless. Allah will reply, "Even the demons believe that." Dear sinner, your belief must rise higher than the faith of Shaitan. Shaitan was a pure monotheist long before Ibrahim. The constant message of the ancient prophets was the necessity of atonement for sins. Are your sins atoned by the death of another? This is the message that began with Adam and Eve and continued throughout all the divine prophets and apostles. May Allah give you the grace and humility to accept the message of the ancient prophets and apostles. You need desperately to have your sins washed away. Allah loves you and desires that you come just as you are to the cross of Calvary in repentant and faith.

July 3, 2004