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It seams as if you are telling me that we all should adopt Allah as the universal name for the one true god, that is if Allah is a name.
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You are injecting your own assumptions into what I said:
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"I am comfortable with ANY culture specific words as long as they are not used to foster DISUNITY and DIVISION among people who ALL claim to believe in the One True God. But when CHILDREN can't seem to see past the branches to the ROOT, then SOMEONE has to help them see that all the Branches spring from the same root, andhopefully do away with needless bickering."
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I have no problem at all with you using YHWH as the "Name" of the Supreme Being, because I UNDERSTAND what you MEAN...know't I mean?
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09-04-05, 12:20 AM
THE "TETRAGRAMMATON"
Where is the word Jehovah from? "From the Holy Bible?" What does it say? Does it spell out the word J-e-h-o-v-a-h? "No," "There is a 'tetragrammaton' in the Bible from which the word Jehovah is derived." What is a tetragrammaton?
What does the word tetragrammaton mean?". "Tetra," in Greek means FOUR, and "grammaton," means LETTERS. It simply means "a four letter word."
Can you read into Y H W H the word Jehovah? I cannot. "we taught to add vowels to these four consonents to produce the sound. Originally, both Hebrew and Arabic were written without the vowel signs The native of each language was able to read if even without those vowels. Not to the outsider, for whose benefit the vowels were invented.
Let us add the vowels. YHWH becomes YeHoWaH. Juggle as you like but you can never materialise Jehovah!
The letters Y H W H occur in the Hebrew (Jewish) Scriptures 6823 times, boasts the Jehovah's Witness, and it occurs in combination with the word "Elohim;" 156 times in the booklet called Genesis alone. This combination YHWH/ELOHIM has been consistently translated in the English Bible as "Lord God," "Lord God," Lord God,"
What is YHWH; and what is ELOHIM? Since the lews did not articulate the word YHWH for centuries, and since even the Chief Rabbis would not allow the ineffable to be heard, they have forfeited the right to claim dogmatically how the word is to be sounded. We have to seek the aid of the Arab to revive Hebrew, a language which had once died out. In every linguistic difficulty recourse has to be made to Arabic, a sister language, which has remained alive and viable. Racially and linguistically, the Arabs and the Jews have a common origin, going back to Father Abraham.
YHWH or Yehova or Yahuwa all mean the very same thing. "Ya" is a vocative and an exclamatory particle in both Hebrew and Arabic, meaning Oh! And "Huwa" or "Hu" means He, again in both Hebrew and Arabic. Together they mean Oh He! So instead of YHWH ELOHIM, we now have Oh He! ELOHIM.
..based on this, i have to agree, meaning is very important!
From: Whats His Name?
http://jamaat.net/name/name.html
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09-04-05, 11:56 AM
jaz,
think of ISLAM as the 'taste' of honey. i can write a million words on what it tastes like but if you dont EXPERIENCE it for yourself, you will NEVER REALLY know what it is like. but the first step to tasting honey is to know that honey is good for you and MANY people like its taste.
i can write about Islam in hundreds of different languages , what is important is that you UNDERSTAND the meaning of what i am writing.
my point is, it DOSENT MATTER which words you use to explain or call Islam or Allah, as long as the MEANING is conveyed correctly.
jaz i have a very simple question for you which requires just a yes or no answer-
Do YOU submit completelly to the will of God?
YaHuWaH Eloh(im) - HuwaAllah - He is Allah
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09-04-05, 05:44 PM
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""Please be as so kind to answer this question for me . In an earlier theard / posting you mentioned that Christians have gone astray correct ? Therefore your implication to that is that's where the need for Islam arouse, to set what was not necessarily incorrect but more or less seen as not being followed through adqueately by Christians to be set on course adequately and Islam was that answer right ? Are we Following my train of thought thus far ? So my question is this , why fix or incorporate a diffrent idealogy with what was made perfect in the begining ? Is the same to be conculded with that arguement that if Islam at some point becomes the dominate religion on the face of the earth and people begin to go astray from that faith , do we purpose to change Islam becuase Muslims aren't following the Koran ? So then why would we do the same with Christianity ? The thought is absurd. I'm most interested in your feedback.""Nasima.
Yes the laws of Moses and Word of Jesus was "perfect" to begin with, therefore the religion that came from it was "perfect" to begin with. However, these "religions" were much different from the religions of christianity and judaism today. In fact moses and Jesus did not even call these religions Juadism and Christianity, or promote many of the beliefs and behaviours presented in these religions today. Much of the original scriptures and teachings are therefore lost, and the consequent holy books and religions have encountered countless changes and additions. Therefore it is impossible for members of these religion (who may or may not have gone astray) to go back to following their religion in its original form. For this reason, this "religion of god" needed to be re-expressed in a new form which was Islam. Islam does not claim to be a new religion, but a re-expression of the religion of god.
However, whereas I make no claim that there are not muslims that have also "gone astray". The fact remains that the foundation of Islam which is the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet, remain the same as they did in their original forms. Therefore, Muslims can always refer to the original foundation and form of their religion which is perfect. The five pillars of Islam have remain the same since the revelation, and will stay the same for all time.
The True Religion
By Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips
http://www.islamworld.net/true.html
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Wonderful Explaintion and clarification for me and well appreicated ! So therefore Christianity as it was intially introduced was and is Perfect . It's Man that has changed or saught to change the Word Of God and it's teachings to suit their own evil desires. But What i want to emphasize is that Gods Law is Perfect Man is Imperfect . Even if they take the Law and attempt to change it they shall have to answer to God , that i worry not about , my concern and focus is following God and the teachings of his son Jesus Christ . There can be no changing what is Made Perfect by God NO MATTER how the centuries have changed or whether one chooses to interpet the Word falsely. However i thank you Jamal for your response.
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* The Weak can never forgive , Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong.
* Patience is the weapon that forces deception to reveal itself.
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09-04-05, 06:05 PM
Salaam (Peace) to all...
It should be noted that the doctrine of "Sonship" was established three hundred years AFTER the death of Jesus - the Nicene Council, 325 A.D.
Even the Bible, if read carefully, bears witness that Jesus had an earthly father.
God Willing, I will post some examples later.
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09-04-05, 06:09 PM
It's imperitive to understand the same fate that awaited the Christians in the earlier centuries await us as Christians todayif we make the choices that we make that are not in accordance with the will of GOD !
And no matter what your Religion of choice whether Jew, Christian or Muslim the same fate awaits ALL who don't adhere to God / Allah .
@TheStudent ,
1. There's a clear distinction between "State of Being" and actually the application of one's faith (made active ) . The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions but there is only one truth . Some may feel there's many ways to get to the top of that moutain figurtively speaking but there's only one way to follow GOD in true righteousness. Many prohets have and come and gone attempting to guide/warn people to the truth , the presence of those prohets has not changed peoples actions , however what has been revealed to them by God was for a set purpose,it needed to be prohpesied so that the plans of God may be revealed and fulfilled to all Nations . God knew forehand that there would be those who would follow and those that would go astray PERIOD that doesn't change the outcome no matter who comes after Christ and his teachings .
2.On a Personal NoteIonce studied the Sunni ways with a sista in the Masjid where i live,soi do have more background than you thinkmy brother. But iamnot closed off iam always open to hear and learn , as we shouldalways be when growing in our faith and understanding of God. BUT I FRIMLY BELIEVE THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH.
Have a Blessed Day , my brother .
Nasima.
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* The Weak can never forgive , Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong.
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09-04-05, 08:11 PM
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'nasima' means 'gentle breeze' in arabic
i think we have strayed again off of the topic.
My point was that the WHOLE universe was created in a state of submission to the will of God, or in arabic, ISLAM. do you agree to this?
all i want you to recognise is that, initially, you too were made in a state of ISLAM. it is only through external influences that takes us away from ISLAM.
do you also agree with this?
so on understanding the state of the universe and the state YOU were created in, would you agree that SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF GOD, or simply ISLAM is the ONLY way of life acceptable to God?
YaHuWaH Eloh(im) - HuwaAllah - He is Allah
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'nasima' means 'gentle breeze' in arabic
i think we have strayed again off of the topic.
My point was that the WHOLE universe was created in a state of submission to the will of God, or in arabic, ISLAM. do you agree to this?
all i want you to recognise is that, initially, you too were made in a state of ISLAM. it is only through external influences that takes us away from ISLAM.
do you also agree with this?
so on understanding the state of the universe and the state YOU were created in, would you agree that SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF GOD, or simply ISLAM is the ONLY way of life acceptable to God?
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09-04-05, 08:21 PM
Was the will ofÂ*all Gods beingsÂ*in submission to God?
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my opinion doesnt matter, what do you think?
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09-04-05, 08:22 PM
Every living thing submits to gods laws at some point. Those that have freewill can choose either compliance or non-compliance with submission.
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When tested many failed. When the angels sinned they had no salvation. God requires perfect submission and does not accept anyone that comes short.
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09-04-05, 09:01 PM
kanobi,
so do you accept that you were created in a state of submission to the will of God?
YaHuWaH Eloh(im) - HuwaAllah - He is Allah
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