Understanding Islam 2 - Page 5

jaziasha · (#101 (**permalink**))

KANOBI wrote:

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What ifpeople of different faith traditionsconcept of the One True God differs significantlythat they cannotpossibly bethe same God?

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This is exactly what I am saying. And you will know when they are not the same.

One Zero Seven · (#102 (**permalink**))

KANOBI wrote:

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What ifpeople of different faith traditionsconcept of the One True God differs significantlythat they cannotpossibly bethe same God?

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This question doesn't make sense. The Reality of the Supreme Being, or Creator, or the One True God, is independent of our "concepts" about Him, or our inability to agree about His actual Being.

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Severalpeople can view the same event, yet give strikingly different interpretations of what they saw. Does it mean that they didn't witness the same event because they cannot agree on what actually took place? No. The event does not adjust itself to fit the perception of the observer. The observer must adjust his perception to accommodate the reality of the event.

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So it is with God/YHWH/ALLAH/NGAI....the One True God and Creator of All.

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"...Call on Allah or call on the Beneficent. By whatever (name) you call on Him, He has the best names..." -Holy Qur'an

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KANOBI · (#103 (**permalink**))

One Zero Seven wrote:

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KANOBI wrote:

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What ifpeople of different faith traditionsconcept of the One True God differs significantlythat they cannotpossibly bethe same God?

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This question doesn't make sense. The Reality of the Supreme Being, or Creator, or the One True God, is independent of our "concepts" about Him, or our inability to agree about His actual Being.

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Severalpeople can view the same event, yet give strikingly different interpretations of what they saw. Does it mean that they didn't witness the same event because they cannot agree on what actually took place? No. The event does not adjust itself to fit the perception of the observer. The observer must adjust his perception to accommodate the reality of the event.

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So it is with God/YHWH/ALLAH/NGAI....the One True God and Creator of All.

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"...Call on Allah or call on the Beneficent. By whatever (name) you call on Him, He has the best names..." -Holy Qur'an

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If the character of theGod you believe to be the one true God is that of satan then the God you worship cannotreally be the one true God. So it is possible for you to be decieved into thinking you are worshiping the one true Godwhen infactyou areworshipping satan.If you ascribe a different character to Godthan thecharacterchristiansascribe toGod you may not be worshipping the one true God at all.

One Zero Seven · (#104 (**permalink**))

KANOBI wrote:

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If the character of theGod you believe to be the one true God is that of satan then the God you worship cannotreally be the one true God. So it is possible for you to be decieved into thinking you are worshiping the one true Godwhen infactyou areworshipping satan.If you ascribe a different character to Godthan thecharacterchristiansascribe toGod you may not be worshipping the one true God at all.

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Could just as easily be written...

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"If the character of theGod you believe to be the one true God is that of satan then the God you worship cannotreally be the one true God. So it is possible for you to be decieved into thinking you are worshiping the one true Godwhen infactyou areworshipping satan.If you ascribe a different character to Godthan thecharacterMuslimsascribe toGod you may not be worshipping the one true God at all."

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or

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"If the character of theGod you believe to be the one true God is that of satan then the God you worship cannotreally be the one true God. So it is possible for you to be decieved into thinking you are worshiping the one true Godwhen infactyou areworshipping satan.If you ascribe a different character to Godthan thecharacterJewsascribe toGod you may not be worshipping the one true God at all."

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"If the character of theGod you believe to be the one true God is that of satan then the God you worship cannotreally be the one true God. So it is possible for you to be decieved into thinking you are worshiping the one true Godwhen infactyou areworshipping satan.If you ascribe a different character to Godthan thecharacterBuddhistsascribe toGod you may not be worshipping the one true God at all."

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"If the character of theGod you believe to be the one true God is that of satan then the God you worship cannotreally be the one true God. So it is possible for you to be decieved into thinking you are worshiping the one true Godwhen infactyou areworshipping satan.If you ascribe a different character to Godthan thecharacterDogonascribe toGod you may not be worshipping the one true God at all."

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"If the character of theGod you believe to be the one true God is that of satan then the God you worship cannotreally be the one true God. So it is possible for you to be decieved into thinking you are worshiping the one true Godwhen infactyou areworshipping satan.If you ascribe a different character to Godthan thecharacterKemetiansascribe toGod you may not be worshipping the one true God at all."

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In order for your statement to carry any weight at all, you must first delineate the characteristics of Satan, and then PROVE that the God you are at variance with reflects or exhibits such characteristics. Otherwise, you're just whispering suggestions and innuendo, which is universally agreed upon as being characteristic of Satan.

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Think before you speak.

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One Zero Seven · (#105 (**permalink**))

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The Reality of the Supreme Being, or Creator, or the One True God, is independent of our "concepts" about Him, or our inability to agree about His actual Being.

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Severalpeople can view the same event, yet give strikingly different interpretations of what they saw. Does it mean that they didn't witness the same event because they cannot agree on what actually took place? No. The event does not adjust itself to fit the perception of the observer. The observer must adjust his perception to accommodate the reality of the event.

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So it is with God/YHWH/ALLAH/NGAI....the One True God and Creator of All.

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"...Call on Allah or call on the Beneficent. By whatever (name) you call on Him, He has the best names..." -Holy Qur'an

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RM

KANOBI · (#106 (**permalink**))

It makes no difference. If2 separate peopleattributeconflicting attributes and conflictingpersonalities to the one true Godhow can both of them be worshipping the same God? One may be believe in the one true God whilst the other believesin afalse God.

KANOBI · (#107 (**permalink**))

If I said the one true God is an Alien that evolved on the planet zukton could I be believing inthe one true God?

If i said the one true God Hates mankind and just wants us to suffer could I be believing in the one true God?

If I say the one true God is not perfect can I really be believing in the one true god?

One Zero Seven · (#108 (**permalink**))

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If you ascribe a different character to Godthan thecharacterchristiansascribe toGod you may not be worshipping the one true God at all.

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Mind you, I am of the position that the God of the Christians and the God of the Muslims is the SAME GOD. But when you make specific reference to the character of the "Christian God", I have to ask...

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You mean character like this?

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2 Samuel 24:16
And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.

Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

1 Chronicles 21:15
And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Jeremiah 26:19
Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the LORD, and besought the LORD, and the LORD repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them? Thus might we procure great evil against our souls.

Jonah 3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

According to your own line of reasoning, then, am I to conclude that the "God of the Christians has evil thoughts? Shouldnot Ibelieve what the Bible says?

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No such attributes are found in the Holy Qur'an regarding the Supreme Being.

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KANOBI · (#109 (**permalink**))

Those are translations. The actual word is not excatly like the english and does notneed to indicatemoral evil but can mean adversity.

Does the Bible Teach that God is the Source of Evil?

Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Lamentations 3:38 "Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?"

Jeremiah 18:11 "Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you."

Ezekiel 20:25,26 "I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live. And I polluted them in their own gifts...

Is God the source of evil, according to these passages? In the first four verses, the word "evil" is ra. This word does indicate moral evil elsewhere. But there are meanings offered in Strong's for this word like "adversity" and words of similar nature. Ra can therefore be used in both senses.

Now with this in mind, how do we determine the proper translation of ra in this case? The answer is simple, once we consider the literary parallel in the verse in question. Note the antithesis in the first part of the verse from Isaiah: light/darkness. The second part of the verse must also be therefore reckoned as an antithesis. The word we translate "prosperity" is a familiar one: shalom. We commonly translate this word "peace" - but it is NEVER used to indicate moral goodness, the antithesis of moral evil! We must therefore translate "ra" in terms of its specified antithesis, and that is why it is thoroughly proper to give it the meaning of calamity/disaster/adversity here. (Presumably skeptics would "argue by outrage" and say that God has no right to cause us adversity. For more on this, see Glenn Miller's article on this verse.) The verse from Amos offers a similar parallel, to the blowing of a trumpet -- a sign of calamitous judgment, not moral evil. The same is the case for Lamentations, where ra is placed in opposition to a word that means "beauty" or "bounty" or joy, and the verse after which asks, "Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?" The verse prior in Jeremiah ("If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.") uses the same word for "good" in opposition.

The verses in Zeke tell us that God handed the Israelites over to their sinful desires when they refused to obey him. God allowed the Israelites to govern themselves by pagan statutes as part of their punishment -- in other words, they "asked for it". God is not the source of this sort of evil; we are!

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