Here is a photo of the pope at the end of an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq, where the pope "bowed" to the Muslim holy book, The Koran, presented to him by the delegation.

All respect is due to the Pope for any good he done in his extensive life. Respectfully removing his shoes, John Paul built "bridges" with the Islamic World by becaming the first Pope to enter a Mosque when he toured a 1,300-year-old Islamic house of worship in Damascus, Syria. John Paul II also received Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat at the Vatican, even though it was reasonable to assume it would provoke criticism from Israel and Jewish groups. Sept. 15, 1982.

On May 14, 1999 a delegation of Christian and Muslim leaders from Iraq visited Pope John Paul II in Rome. A Muslim representative brought the Holy Qur'an, and the pope kissed it in front of all the participants.

Q1. Did the pope, who in fact was the supposed "infallible" voice of the Roman Catholic Church do this with full knowledge of what The Qur'an has to say about Jesus and the nature of God??

Q2. Did he know that The Qur'an attributes Jesus "the Messiah" with "only a messenger of Allah" status??

(Qur'an 4:171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

4:172. Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

Qur'an 4:156. That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

4:158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

4:159. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-)

I don't trust a book translated into English that is difficult for English speaking people to fully understand. TheStudent also quoted the Koran and the quotes had parts that were impossible to understand just by reading them.

Was your version of the Koran translated in the Middle-Ages or something?

Let me give you a clue of honesty: When you are honest and translate something into English you will make it so that, if you speak English,you do not need anyone to tell you what is meant by what is written. The writing should be self-explanatory...if you are honest. If you deliberately want to get people to be your religious prisoners then you will make it deliberately difficult to understand so that people must go to Islamic middle-men to fully understand what is written. I strongly suspect that is indeed the case with the translations of the Koran I have seen thus far in this forum.

I am not easily tricked by you religiously delusional and that makes me bad, right? You won't find me kissing any of your books or your asses and that makes me bad, right?I do not appreciate (((anyone))) pulling their religious tricks on me and I expose those tricks with a vengeance and that makes me bad, right?

Here's the thing to consider: The Pope kissed the Koran and Billy Graham would never do such a thing because the Pope is more righteous than Christianevangelist Billy Graham or because the Pope is less righteous than evangelist Billy Graham?

So what do you religious courageous have to say about this? Or are you too cowardly to state what you truly feel about the matter in fear of the Papal Inquisition? Oh, it's not nice to be honest in how you feel in this matter because the Catholics are still mourning the Pope? Better to be a hypocrite at least until their mourning is over, right?

I say:if you're going to be a hypocrite for the rest of the year don't bother being honest with your feelings on Christmas!

Sheik Jamal

Salaams

Did you know...

Masons and Shriners also kneel before and kiss the Koran when they reach the higher ranks of their secret-order.

oh is that why my on eof my muslim co -workers says to me that muslims and roman catholics are similar mmmm

@JAMAL & AHMAD

One of the conditions for entering heaven is that a person must have died upon Islam. No matter how good a person may be, if he/she dies upon anything other than Islam then Allah will reward him/her in this life and nothing will be left for the hereafter.

Allah says in the Quran:

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
[Quran 3:85]

Verily, those who disbelieved, and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from anyone of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers.
[Quran 3:91]

Allah almighty tells us in the Qur'an he forgives every sin except attributing partners to him.

The pope thought of himself as an intermediary between himself and Allah, thinking he (pope) could choose who is forgiven or not (confession of sins and all that.) This is shirk.

The pope attributed sons and daughters to the unique divinity of Allah, thinking something else could share in Allah's glorious majesty. This is also shirk.

It is clear that, unfortunately, no he will go to hell forever (unless he secretly only believed in Allah alone without any partners.)

It should be noted, that there was a non-Muslim (I forget his name) who was kind to Muslims during the Quraysh persecution of them. After the battle of Badr, the Messenger of Allah, peace be apon him, is reported to have said that he would free all the prisoners for his (the non-Muslims) sake, even though the non-Muslim was going to hell due to his disbelief. I'm taking this on trust of my local Masjid's imam (Catford masjid), so if anybody wants sources I'll have to ask him for them.

I think a similar thing applies to this Pope, and the thoughts we express towards him - nice to us so we nice to him, but God is not so weak and pathetic that He shares characteristics with any man, be that man Jesus peace be apon him or someone else.

Jazakallah,
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When the sky is torn apart, so it was (like) red rose ointment.

Then which of the favours of your lord will u deny?

Quran 55:37-38

Salaams

Did you know...

Masons and Shriners also kneel before and kiss the Koran when they reach the higher ranks of their secret-order.
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where did you hear that?

oh is that why my on eof my muslim co -workers says to me that muslims and roman catholics are similar mmmm
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we say that because catholics view things like contraception and abortion the same way muslims do. NOT the ritual side of it

(PRODUCER, HALAQAH MEDIA, WWW.HALAQAH.COM)


The subject of this novel audio documentary, produced by Halaqah Media, is an elite group, the Freemasons, that is exerting considerable control over the world's economic, social, and political orders - hence, our lives. They tremendously influence the media, using it to propagate their views to the world.

The sixty-minute audiotape begins with sound bytes of Malcolm X and George Bush Sr., and Imam Siraj Wahaj's comments on the extensive media coverage of the L.A. riots at the complete exclusion of the plight of the thousands of Iraqi children who are suffering because of the U.N. sanctions against Iraq.

Then, there is an audio clip of George Bush, Sr.'s speech in which he said that what was at stake at the time of the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait was not just a small nation, but a big idea… namely, "The New World Order."

According to the tape, the New World Order is the creation of the Freemasons, a group that started in France during the medieval centuries among crusader monks intent on rebuilding Solomon's temple in Jerusalem. They later got caught up in the Jewish magical practice of Kaballah and other heretical activities, and were expelled from France. After seeking refuge in Scotland, they made great strides and were finally able to wield considerable influence on the English monarchy - further broadening its agenda for global domination. They were also behind the French revolution, reportedly bankrolling the revolutionaries. When Napoleon refused to tow their line, he was exiled and came to a terrible end.

The Freemasons reportedly landed on the shores of North America with the pilgrims. Later, when American nationalism spread like wild fire, leading to a revolt against the British Monarchy, Freemasons were again at the forefront. As a matter of fact, several of the Revolution's leaders, including George Washington, are said to have been Freemasons of the highest order.

Over the years, the Freemasons' have developed traditions based on the occult, Satan worship, and other ungodly practices. As they have become increasingly successful, their unyielding influence on the media has grown as well. Not only do they manipulate news events, but they also try to send satanic subliminal messages to the minds of the masses.

The tape reports that they achieve this end through a technique called backtracking - a scientifically debatable method involving the use of audio technology to play songs backwards in order to give a different message.

Two examples of this manipulative technology are: 1) one of Madonna's songs. When played backward, "Oh, Hear Us, Satan" can be clearly heard; and 2) the band, Eagles', song in which "Yeah, Satan" can be heard when it is played backward.

The use of satanic symbols in the music of Madonna, Michael Jackson, and other popular entertainers is also discussed.

Other topics covered in the documentary include the puppet role of the United Nations, population control, the introduction of AIDS and other diseases in germ warfare, and the Economic Union of Europe.

The tape goes on to say that Freemasonry is laying the groundwork for the appearance of the Dajjal or the Anti-Christ, citing various Ahadith to prove this point. It concludes in an affirmation that Muslims - as divided and far from Islam as they currently are - will eventually regain their lost glory, and defeat Dajjal and his evil designs.

Although unique in its presentation, the documentary leaves much to be desired. For example, it does not discuss the alleged involvement of Muslim personalities in the Freemasons during the last century (Sayyid Jamaluddin Afghani was reputed to be associated with them for sometime). Nor does it mention a 1970's fatwa from the Muslim World League barring Muslims from organizations like the Rotary Club and the Lions Club for their alleged connection to Freemasonry.

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Ubadah bin Saamit (R.A.) once said, "I have explained Dajjal to you but I fear that you might not have understood. Maseeh Dajjal will be short, and his legs will be crooked. The hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye (with which he can see, and this is the protruding eye about which other ahadeeth inform us) while his other eye will be totally flat. It will neither be deep (in its socket) nor protruding.


Brothers/Sisters I ask of you to be cautious of those Muslims in this forum who align masonry with goodness, I ask you not to consider their words, because their words are full of lies and deceit.

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[align=center]And fight in the Way of Allâh and know that Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
[Al Baqarah: 244]
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@miss P

When pope died The Vatican declared . "This evening or this night, Christ will open the doors to the Pope"

Allah says “for them the gates of heaven will not be opened, and they will not enter Paradise until the camel goes through the eye of the needle�(7:40)

you might be asking whats my point?

simple...

what he did was haram as I bet he hadnt have twahara(he wasnt clean) to touch it....but dont worry he is now being tortured by malaika who deals with dead people like him after all he died Qafir so why care about him? he was just one human being who some saw as their agent with God and it sucks when he dies but hey he has alot to aswer for Africans Latin Americans and most of all poor pple that suffered because of his Multinational friends