THE GUARDIAN OF HIS PEOPLE'S HISTORY

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Please read all before forming an opinion.

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Infomation from Sistar!

On uBaba Mutwa

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1. Credo Mutwa: Zulu Shaman on Reptilians in Africa
Home Page, Great Zulu Shaman and Elder CREDO MUTWA On Alien Abduction & Reptilians. ... Credo Mutwa: Sir, can your newspaper send people to Africa? ...
http://www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html

2. Credo Mutwa, the South African zulu shaman, sangoma sanusi ...
Credo Mutwa the Zulu Sangoma Sanusi traditional healer, Zulu Sangoma & Sanusi living in South Africa. Credo Mutwa Zulu Sangoma Home Books Interviews. ...
http://www.credomutwa.com/

3. A PLEDGE FROM ~CREDO MUTWA~ - Articles by David Icke A PLEDGE FROM ~CREDO MUTWA~ WHO DAVID ICKE DESCRIBES AS "THE MOST AMAZING AND KNOWLEDGABLE MAN IT HAS BEEN MY PRIVILEDGE AND HONOUR TO CALL A FRIEND". , . ...
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/credo.html

4. CREDO MUTWA IN PLEA TO SAVE AFRICA FROM ILLUMINATI GENOCIDE ...
CREDO MUTWA IN PLEA TO SAVE AFRICA FROM ILLUMINATI GENOCIDE - David IckeÂ´s WebSite Article. CREDO MUTWA IN PLEA TO SAVE AFRICA FROM ILLUMINATI GENOCIDE. ...
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articl...killingus.html

5. CHEMTRAILS STOP ET CONTACT AND ....... IMPORTANT INFORMATION. CREDO MUTWA - ZULU SHAMAN: "I noticed that school children ... of times.". --- CREDO MUTWA ----. "We were told ...
http://www.world-action.co.uk/vaccinate.html

6. Credo MutwaÂ´s Keynote Address at the October 1999 Mono Lake ... Credo Mutwa: Keynote Address. ... The holy person whom I had murdered had interfered with my dinner, which in the Credo Mutwa book is a mortal crime. ...
http://www.livinglakes.org/stlucia/credomutwa.htm

7. Heal South Africa - Credo MutwaÂ´s HIV Remedy - A project dedicated ...
Print Version. Credo: "I wish to appeal to the world. First, I am not a quack or a charlatan or a sensationalist. I am an old man who has seen much. ...
http://www.healsa.co.za/credo.htm

8. Credo MutwaÂ´s Treasures Credo MutwaÂ´s Treasures Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa, acclaimed author and Zulu witch doctor, is a confidence man whose efforts parallel ...
http://www.flavinscorner.com/credo.htm

9. Great Zulu Shaman And Elder Credo Mutwa - David Icke E~Magazine ... Great Zulu Shaman And Elder Credo Mutwa A Rare, Astonishing Conversation 9/30/99 ~ RICK MARTIN From The SPECTRUM Newspaper To order The SPECTRUM call (877) 280 ...
http://www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol6/spectmutwa.html

10. Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa in canongate.net ... Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa. Credo Mutwa was born in 1922 in Natal, the grandson of Ziko Shezi, a Bantu witchdoctor who was the guardian of his tribeâ€™s history. ...
http://www.canongate.net/people/pep.taf?_p=2115

Little95

08-27-2004, 05:45 AM

He has this video called "The Reptillian Agenda" w/ David Icke interviewing.

Baba Ahmed

08-27-2004, 09:26 AM

so is this to say that the brutha's reports r literal, symbolic or metaphoric?

BORN-7od

08-31-2004, 01:41 PM

peace, I read the Biggest Secret by David Icke, interesting book, some of what he was saying I often question.

IfasehunReincarnated

08-31-2004, 01:52 PM

i didnt read all the articles, but i have read a book by Elder Credo before. Credo doesnt call them reptilians. your white source calls them this. or as far as i can tell. if thats the case, dont you think you ought to be a bit more careful relating the two.

lastly, why is this is so interesting to you? this has come up before. whats the point of the material? what value of stock should we place in it? how does it make us better spiritually or as freedom fighters? and please be specific.

Baba Ahmed

08-31-2004, 07:27 PM

i didnt read all the articles, but i have read a book by Elder Credo before. Credo doesnt call them reptilians. your white source calls them this. or as far as i can tell. if thats the case, dont you think you ought to be a bit more careful relating the two.

lastly, why is this is so interesting to you? this has come up before. whats the point of the material? what value of stock should we place in it? how does it make us better spiritually or as freedom fighters? and please be specific.

Solid, IfasehunReincarnated - I read all of his over 600 pg INDABA, MY CHILDREN. A very difficult read. I'm glad someone has the sense to question who arranged for him to come here and pushed an implied literal interpretation of the good brutha's works. 2nd he is not THE GUARDIAN OF HIS PEOPLE'S HISTORY, he was ONE of their guardians. Who is a self professed violator of his sworn pledge to not divulge its secrets, but did so and has since lived fearing assassination. His reason? To keep them; i.e., his Zulu people, from being lost in this modern environment when many of the modern crew have become Westernized. He himself was forced to attend a Catholic school away from home, thus the name Credo. Which he denounced, after returning home at being encouraged by his Mama to return to his culture. It is a Latin language name. In the book, Indaba My Children he informs readers that he uses symbols and metaphors among stories created for effect. Those whoâ€™re unfamiliar with Zulu culture, specifically, and Afrikan cultures generally should be very critical and not swallow like water fairy tales, allegorical stories and myths mixed with factual reports.

I was determined to finish the book and did so. IfasehunReincarnated I was a member of another â€œBlackâ€? forum. There was a following of folk who apparently had a whole school of thought with brutha Mutwaâ€™s concepts, mixed w/other high sounding so-called teachings on â€œhighâ€? spirituality. They positioned themselves as higher and more learned than all other Black folk beliefs, struggles and goals. They spoke an in house jargon only they understood; I often admonished them for do n thatâ€¦ and that if they were there to teach then they should speak in a language the people understood; otherwise they should maintain their own site for their â€œbelievers.â€? To my surprise I discovered they did have a site. It seems their purpose was to corrupt, disrupt, and destroy Black thought, ideas and ideologies and culture.

I also was a member of a site based in Jamaica, some of their followers brought that crap to that site; most of whose members appeared to be of Jamaican or some other Caribbean Nation. They chased their stupid butts off their site!

To end this, a brutha I know visited Mutwa at his home in Cape Town area of Azania. Showed me photos of him and a stone carving that stimulates images of Olmec heads in Mexica and other places as to its scale. This thing is hugh! Mutwa is seen standing on one thigh of a sista and his head is nowhere near her tit! He did the work of art alone!!! Oh, another reason he revealed some of his secrets? He says Afrikans need to re-capture and re-invigorate the spirits and reality of Afrikan cultures which he says is similar Continent wide. One controversial opinion is that he tells of a couple animals that are not native in Afrika, but are in India and so â€œmaybeâ€? that is the locale of our beginnings.

There is one other valuable report of Mutwa while here in I think 1999 w/David Ickes: a cure for AIDS. I lookâ€™d into info on the herb, Sunderlandia. It exists and is sold openingly in London and Cape Town. But not in Amerikkka.

Thank u my brutha for your alertness. The questionâ€™s still unanswered: whatâ€™s the point of posting all the references re Mutwa. Heâ€™s a very imaginative poet, also. The originator of this thread, imo, should respond to your questions with which I agree.

Kwameâ€¦ medaase pa, inda

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ZinURu

09-13-2004, 05:26 PM

First and formost, I know nothing of the brother other than what is posted on the other sites and what he says in his articles. The above links were posted on another site exactly as they are. If only one link was posted I would have posted that.

As a Zulu Shaman, given play by whites, I felt I would simply share this infor with the fam. So my motive in posting the links was simply to share, no agenda, no knowledge about this Zula Shaman giving away secrets.

So I am quite suprised at the negative reaction to this Zula Shaman, indeed. If this has come up before, I was not here when it did, or did not see the thread.

If something was done wrong in posting these links, it was done in inocence.

Little95

09-14-2004, 05:05 AM

Zin,
U done did good mayne, Ifa always set tripping (

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just let the brother know what u meant & it's all gravy. Don't take it personal! Chiaturi is what Credo calls them Reptili's & that tree bark story is quite interesting!

Baba Ahmed

09-14-2004, 08:27 PM

My brother ZinUr - I strongly suggest that u read the bruthas book INDABA, MY CHILDREN. Its a very long and difficult read, over 600 pages. He himself warns/advises us that he uses many techniques to tell his people's, the Zulu, stories. Suffice it to say here, for sometimes we get bog'd down in baseless opinions and interpretations.

One thing I dare say we generally who're educated in these United Snakes lands, know next to nothing about historical symbology, metaphors, mythology or tales and fantasies. Specifically coming out of MaMa Afrika.

I repeat beware of taking to a literal interpretation of VusamaZulu Mutwa's writings.

I'm out

PS: he also explains the "Credo" involuntary alias in INDABA, MY CHILDREN. It was hard to find months ago, except from the Public Library here in Atlanta.

IfasehunReincarnated

09-17-2004, 10:54 AM

Zin,
U done did good mayne, Ifa always set tripping (

ops

just let the brother know what u meant & it's all gravy. Don't take it personal! Chiaturi is what Credo calls them Reptili's & that tree bark story is quite interesting!

set tripping? lol.. look, some white guy calls aliens reptilians? and you wanna use Credo to validate that? thats odd. i aint set tripping. i want people to start prefacing their posts with "i got no idea if this is worth anything butt...." instead of posting this stuff leisurely. credo is a strange guy to say the least. but he doesnt and never has called aliens reptilians. why? cause it sounds stupid as all get out. so maybe these links are the tool of some white guy to push his theories behind credo's name. thats wack for us to perpetuate, dont you think?

i think u are referring to our former conversation about hinduism to which i say: some seem determined to ignore the MILLIONS of black hindus that do not use white imagry, or the nationwide movement going on to destroy the caste system, which is NOT in any of the major hindu spiritual teachings, but is a white addition to their secular culture teaching. the question is: when are u going to start supporting black indians? and realize that hinduism is a black faith that was tainted by white folk? the most revered group of hindu priests are sadhus. they are black. they were dreads to their a**. they are darker than wesley snipes most of the time.

if thats set tripping, then so be it. i asking my people to get educated before they speak.

Baba Ahmed

09-17-2004, 12:05 PM

see little95 u're hole card is slowing b n revealed; u refuse to accept my word, paraphrased from VUSAMAZULU, THAT THE NAME CREDO WAS FORCED UPON HIM BY HIS CATHOLIC SCHOOL BRAIN WASHERS.

HE LEFT THAT B.S; RETURNED HOME AND AT HIS MAMA'S URGING TOOK TO HIS CULTURE AND LANGUAGE AND DENOUNCED "credo" as his name.

Yet u presist in calling him Credo. Gotdamnit Blood doncha realize that's a LATIN WORD!?!

And one other fact, the brutha says straight up that he violated his oath to not reveal certain secrets of his training. Take my word for it, he was/is a trained Keeper of the Knowledges of his People: The Zulu! I say so for I've seen photos taken by a friend of mine near Cape Town. As Ifasehun says, VusamaZulu is a strange man; but damn any man, woman of beast who can construct an Olmec size wombman's body in stone is puzzling to say the least. I'm telling u he's seen standing on one thigh of the sculpture and his head does not reach the tittie! Can u picture that!?!

And I repeat he cautions readers to not take all of his stories as literal. Remember also he's called a Shaman! Everyone I've met speaks languages not easily understood, especially by those of us "educated" in this dead ass Greek, Latin & German based group of Bastids. They have their uses; but as one of our bruthas here stated: they can not deal with Afrikan languages concepts and teachings; their scope and depths are limited; they lack the Spirits of our ancestors. I won't even get into the melanin thing.

Its folk like u spreading this "Reptilian" misunderstood concept around the internet. Coming off as if they have some special understanding of Afrikan myths and metaphors. And seeming apparently proud and one group I witnessed belittled their fellow "enslaved" sistas and bruthas for lacking knowledge of "The Reptillians."

U need beware of using shit that the kkkrakkka controlled Art Bell type yts push. Some even highly learned Physicists; but to me their aim is one: to establish yt as extraterrestrial folk who came here to teach us po' Black, NDN, and other FIRST WORLD'S PEOPLE to construct e.g., a system of Pyramids virtually worldwide which stand today. Not only in Kush Lands but in Oceania and in this hemisphere.

A sista crew penned and recorded a song: WHAT GOOD IS A SONG IF ITS GOT NO MESSAGE; IF IT CAN'T INSPIRE AND TAKE U HIGHER? Not to look down on folk; but also to reach them. And teach them by showing your works!

Talk is cheap and bullshit walks... on by(e)

Baba Ahmed

09-17-2004, 12:55 PM

One more note; beware loosely labeling IfasehunReincarnated. Suffice it to say he did not add Reincarnated for style. No matter what he writes I remember having met the brutha at another site. He didn't know me from the first Black Man; yet he read a problem I posted re a Private AfriCentric School immediately he offered help in grant writing. Not once did he ask for anything; I relayed the info to the sista director.

He's never mentioned it, to my knowledge. Its a quality manifested. Its beyond party affiliation, religion and political ideologies.

Nor is he here blowing his own trumpet of valuable training and knowledge; tru he offers to share w/o stick'n out his chest pridefully. I feel blessed to know a lil of what's involved and respect the man for that.

the main point is this: try to be true and exact when tryna post something to be learned; ck the sources or at least caution us by say'n its your opinion, interpretation or something like that. An example was seen right here between cornerkick and me. We butt'n heads like blind folk run'n an obstacle course. Both with same objective: to spread info re Dual Citizenship for us with Ghana. We both returned to the "draw'n board," so to speak; re-ck'd our own sources and understandings and finally both learned something from ea other in respectful manners. I know and understand more; so does she.

Lay on that.

And cornerkick, melody, I openingly offer an apology; didn't know at that intial "minor" note clash that u are an Afrikan wombman, I'm biased for them and have soft place in me heart for sistas. My mama was a sista, diggit? Don't mean we won't tangle; but does mean that reality exists in me make-up.

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