Jamal you are going down a dead end and I am sure you know these contradictions can be honestly answered. Lets move on to doctrine to see which religion stands out. I have answered many of your question but you continue to ignore because you have already made up your mind. Whether questions are answered or not will change nothing for you.

KANOBI...

I knew you wouldnt be too far away from this thread.

Just to make one thing clear, this thread was not aimed out how it has turned out, but was more aimed at doctorine as you suggest, as you can see this is what is refered to in the title post.

However, these posts do still refer to "perfection" of religion, as the books are a cornerstone of any religion and should be authentic, accurate and free from error and corruption. The bible is not, as proven by its own verses which have been posted to prove to those that are forever so adamant in telling us about this "word of god".

I you check you will note that "i am not disputing that many can be explained in one way or another with some level of re/interpretation. The point is that the fact remains that these verses of the text explicitly contradict each other."

But yes, the intention of the thread was to discuss the "perfect" doctorines of the religions to consider what is the "perfect" and "Ultimate belief system" for ALL mankind, and what is not.

So what do you hope to gain if these so called contradictions can be answered honestly? Your not going to make a christian go "oh the bible contradicts itself it must be wrong" rather just a futile and repetative answering of so calledcontradictions. The christian can do the same back and you will give explantions. What I find more interesting is what people actually believe and I think this is the key thing that separates the religions.

I seek to gain nothing.

If you scour the posts, you will see my "contradiction" posts are in direct response to the posts of another person, and are directly addressed to that person.

It may be that im "not going to make a christian go "oh the bible contradicts itself it must be wrong"", however, i am sure that many have.

It may be "just a futile and repetative answering of so called contradictions", however i merely respond to posts made, and whether or not "The christian can do the same back and you will give explantions", the point is that they do not stand as the contradictions of the bible are explicit in the text. These contradictions/errors/corruptions have placed much doubt on the bible over the years bringing it into disrepute and causing it to need continoius revision. This has not happened with the Qur'an which has always maintained its error free status, regardless of ANY claim brought against it. This is a very clear difference.

I also find it interesting as to what people actually believe and I think this is the key thing that separates the religions. In many religions they want to be sure that what they are being told is authentic, accurate and right so their faith is then strong and 100% defensible to the questions of themselves and others... in other religions they ignore the clear discrepancies but still claim to strong and defensible in faith.

Maybe they are, but we all know the difference between building a house on solid rock, compared to building it on soft sand.....

But you are bais against the bible and I disagree with you about bible contradictions as I have answered in the past without being dishonest. Someone can say the Quran contradictions are explicit too if they want but you stillfeel you answer honestly unless you know you lie.

Another thing you ignore is the size, age the vast area it was written the number of books the number of authors and the time period the bible was written. Although the Gods inspired writings have remained intact it is obvious that we should see more evidence of its history than we do with the Quran which was reveal through one man and is smaller and younger and has remained centralised. Comparing the Quran with its history to the Bible with its history is not really an equal comparison as we would expect the bible to have more copies and thus more copyist errors and attempted corruption. Why don’t we compare the Quran to books written today if the book with the least interference or errors must be inspired by God? Why not compare the Quran to the Furqan?

AP Content :: Bible Bullets

The Bible Versus the Koran
by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

The Islamic holy book known as the Koran (or Qur’an) claims to be the final word from God. When reading the Koran, one constantly is reminded that it is not a human product, but (supposedly) is “wholly� inspired of God. In Sura (chapter) 39:1 we read: “This Book is revealed by God, the Mighty, the Wise One.� Sura 55:1 says, “It is the Merciful [God] who has taught the Koran� (parenthetical comment added). Other Suras that use different words to convey a similar idea include 3:7, 41:23, 12:1-2, and 25:6. After reviewing the Koran, however, it becomes clear that it is anything but a “Book revealed by God.�


First, because the Koran is based solely upon what one person (Muhammad) allegedly saw and heard, one cannot help but question its claims of divine origin. [Interestingly, the second Sura in the Koran begins by saying, “This Book is not to be doubted.� Thus, I suppose we are violating one of the first commands in the Koran by asserting that it should be doubted (cf. 1 John 4:1; Matthew 24:24).] According to Islamic tradition, Mohammed, the founder of Islam, received revelations from the angel Gabriel on various occasions over a period of twenty-three years (Geisler and Saleeb, 1993, p. 90; cf. Sura 25:32; 17:106). After each personal encounter with Gabriel, Mohammed allegedly recited the words to scribes (cf. Sura 73:1-7). The Islamic scripture is based entirely upon these private “experiences.� As Kippy Myers noted: “Only one person allegedly saw the angel. Only one person allegedly heard a voice. Only one person allegedly saw the visions. The only way to become a Moslem, then, is to take this one man’s word for it� (1994, p. 11, emp. added).

On the other hand, the Bible is based in history, not in the subjective experience of one individual. About forty different men from various backgrounds wrote the Bible over a period of 1,600 years. It is backed by objective, historical events experienced by thousands of individuals. And many of its places, events, and people can be verified by history. Many biblical places and persons, which for centuries were unknown to secular history (such as the great Hittite nation), now have been discovered. Archaeology, literature, science, and geography confirm its details, and tie it to a reality outside the mind of any single person or any group of people. Indeed, unlike the Koran, the Bible alone rings of authenticity!

Another major problem with the Koran is that it presents the Bible as being ordained and revealed by God (see Suras 5:72; 19:29-30; 21:7; 29:46-47). Normally, someone or something (in the case of the Koran) claiming that the Bible is the inspired Word of God would not be a problem. But, in the Koran’s case, it is a significant problem. Why so? Because the Koran also claims to be from God, and yet it consistently disagrees with the Bible. Notice just three instances where the Koran contradicts the Bible:

• In Sura 20:87, 96 the Koran states that the golden calf that the Israelites worshipped at the foot of Mount Sinai in the days of Moses was made by “the Samaritan.â€? The city of Samaria, however, was not built until hundreds of years after the death of Moses (see 1 Kings 16:24).
• The Bible indicates that drunkenness is a sinful work of the flesh that will keep a person out of heaven (Galatians 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:10). In contrast, the Koran teaches that drunkenness is all right, unless you are praying (see Moffitt, 1992, pp. 6-7). I know Muslims are not allowed to drink since Muhamed changed his mind. According to the definition of a Muslim this is indirectly true anyway.
• Finally, whereas the Koran denies that Jesus ever was crucified (Sura 4:157), the Bible emphatically states numerous times that He was (Matthew 27:34,50; Luke 23:33,46).

Even though the Koran states that it contains no contradictions (Sura 18:1-2), any person seeking the Truth easily can see that it does. In contrast, the Bible is accurate in every way. After 2,000 years of attacks by infidelic scoffers, not one legitimate mistake has been found.

KANOBI wrote:

This Jamal has proven himself a liar in the sight of Allah and to Allah he will have to face a judgment. I suggest none of you learn ANYTHING from this liar! (JoshuaStone)

..it has been approximatly 5 days now and you have not put muslims to shame, even though you claimed:

"Be ready to be put to shame, all you who are believing in false religions!"

"Watch out all you false religious believers for this guy is about to put you to shame!"


...So is it that you WAS NOT refering to muslims as those you could "put to shame", or those "who are believing in false religions", as you CAN NOT include Muslims and Islam in these catogories as WEare believing in a TRUE religion?

..However, you have not been clear on this as instead all you have proven to do is name call and try to slander others...

"Even though the Koran states that it contains no contradictions (Sura 18:1-2), any person seeking the Truth easily can see that it does. In contrast, the Bible is accurate in every way. After 2,000 years of attacks by infidelic scoffers, not one legitimate mistake has been found." (KANOBI)


..This is a mistake KANOBI, the FACT remains that there have been no contradictions/errors/corruptions proven in the Qur'an.

Whereas, in contrast the bible is world reknowned to have contradictions/errors/corruptions, which is why it CAN NOT be used as a source to contradict the Qur'an.

The Bible includes its OWN footnotes which highlight corruptions such as:

"It is generally agreed that this verse (1 John 5:7-8) has no manuscriptural authority AND HAS BEEN INSERTED

"Verses (Mark 16:9-20) ARE NOT FOUND in the two most ancient manuscripts"

...There are also MANY clear and undisputable contradictions in the Bible text:

How many Chariot drivers?
700 Syrian Chariot drivers (2 Samuel 10:18)
7000 Syrian Chariot drivers (1 CHRONICLES 19:18)

How many Baths?
Solomon had 2000 baths (1 KINGS 7-26)
Solomon had 3000 baths (2 CHRONICLES 4:5)

How many stalls of horses?
Solomon had 4000 stalls of horses (2 CHRONICLES 9:25)
Solomon had 40000 stalls of horses(1 KINGS 4:26)

Did Saul consult the Lord?
Saul ENQUIRED of the Lord (1 SAMUELS 28:6)
Saul DID NOT consult the Lord (1 CHRONICLES 10:13-14)

Should we kill?
Ex. 20:13 Thou shalt not commit murder.
Ex. 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, put every man his sword by his side...and slay every man his brother...companion..neighbor.(See also 1 Sam. 6:19; 15:2,3; Num. 15:36)

Is god jealous?
Ex 20:5 "...for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..." (see also Ex 34:14, Deut 4:24, Josh 24:19, and Nah 1:2)
Gal 5:19-20 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are...jealousy..." (See also 2 Cor 12:20)...and do christians not view jesus as god, made from flesh.

Should we tell lies?
Ex. 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness.(Prov. 12:22; Rev. 21:8)
1 Kings 22:23 The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (II Thess. 2:11; Josh. 2:4-6 with James 2:25)

Should we steal?
Ex. 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. (Lev. 19:13)
Ex. 3:22. And ye shall spoil the Egyptians. (Ex. 12:35-36; Luke 19:29-33)

Shall we keep the Sabbath?
Ex. 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. (Ex. 31:15; Num. 15:32,36)
Is. 1:13 The new moons and the Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity. (John 5:16; Matt. 12:1-5)

Shall we make Graven images?
Ex. 20:4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven...earth...water. (Lev. 26:1)
EX. 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them.

Are we "saved" through works?
Eph. 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith...not of works. (Rom. 3:20, 28; Gal. 2:16)
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(Matt. 19:16-21)

Should good works be seen?
Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. (I Peter 2:12)
Matt. 6:1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them...that thine alms may be in secret. (Matt. 23:5)

Should we own slaves?
Lev. 25:45-46 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy...and they shall be your posession...they shall be your bondmen forever. (Gen. 9:25; Ex. 21:2,7; Joel 3:8; Luke 12:47; Col. 3:22)
Is. 58:6 Undo the heavy burdens...break every yoke. (Matt. 23:10)

Does God change his mind?
Mal. 3:6. For I am the Lord; I change not. Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Ezek. 24:14; James 1:17)
Ex. 32:14. And the Lord repented of the evil which he had thought to do unto his people. (Gen. 6:6; Jonah 3:10; Sam. 2:30-31; II Kings 20:1-6; Num. 16:20-35)

Is God good or evil?
Psa. 145:9. The Lord is good to all. (Deut. 32:4; James 1:13)
Is. 45:7 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Lam 3:38; Jer. 18:11; Ezek. 20:25)

Is God Peaceable?
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you. (Luke 2:14; Acts 10:36)
Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matt. 10:35-37; Luke 22:36)

Was Jesus trustworthy?
John 8:14 Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Shall we call people names?
Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
Matt. 23:17 (Jesus said) Ye fools and blind.

Has anyone seen God?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. (Ex 33:20; Tim. 6:16; John 6:46; I John 4:12)
Gen. 32:30 For I have seen god face to face. (Ex. 33:11, 23; Is. 6:1; Job 42:5)

Has man ascended to heaven?
"Heaven, NO MAN hath ascended" JOHN 3:13
Elijah ascended (2 KINGS 2:11), and Enoch ascended (GENESIS 5:24)

Were any diciples LOST?
Jesus lost "None" of his disciples (JOHN 18:9)
He lost only "One" (JOHN 17:12)

All are sinners?
"For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." (Romans 3:23)
Job was sinless (Job 1:1), Melchizedek was sinless(Heb. 7:3), Zechariah and Elizibeth was sinless (Luke 1:5-6), Mary was sinless (Luke 1: 28), Children are sinless Mark 10:14

Do ALL men die?
Death came to ALL men (Romans 5:12)
Elijah did not die(2 Kings 2:11), did not die Enoch was (Hebrews 11:5, Genesis 5:24), Melchizeldek did not die (Hebrews 7:3)

Are we Condemned for Adams Sins?
We inherit our SINFUL NATURE from Adam. Rom. (5:12-23, Eph. 2:3)
We DO NOT inherit our sinful nature (Ezekiel 18:20, I Corinthians 3:8, 2 Kings 14:6 Deuteronomy 24:16, Jeremiah 31:30)

Who tempted David?
The "Lord" tempted David (2 SAMUEL 24:1)
Satan provoked David (I CHRONICLES 21:1)

jamal786 wrote:It is very clear what you said.. and i quote...

"Be ready to be put to shame, all you who are believing in false religions!"

"Watch out all you false religious believers for this guy is about to put you to shame!"

no matter how much you slander and curse, these are...your words.. not mine!