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I have some quoteswhich state:

The canaanites (Albinos) Helped to cast the evil spell upon the nubians 4,004 years before the birth of Yashu'a of 2,000 years ago. Before the bible we wwere called the original cushite-ptahites,(Genesis 10:6) The evil ones name is samael meaning "poison those of el"As a serpent symbol, he is known as Leviathan. How is Canaan an Albino and were does it say he is or was cursed with leprocy or any skin problem?This is where the problems start because people that believe in the bible go by its history and lineage but there are older civilizations thatdoctrines say different then the bible. Who are the evil ones name Samael? Do they have another name?

So basically they are saying canaan was an Albino!! And alsoHam was a dissagreeable basiacllya devil himself,..confused3 Ham's son canaan was cursed but not Ham himself and it wasent a skin disorder curse like Moses sister had, it was the curse to be a slave. How is Ham dissagreeable when it was Canaan that Noah put the curse on not Ham. Where you get these quotes from?


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Look at this scripture:

Jeremiah 13:23
Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

The bible does refer to race so those who said the bible says nothing about colorare wrong. Ethiopians are also black and according to the bible these particular africans are hamites


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I apologise if this point has been made already but

Why do people think that Hamwas black.

Shem Ham and Japheth were all brothers from the same mother and father so why do we think that its only Ham whowas black?




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I apologise if this point has been made already but

Why do people thing that Hamwas black.

Shem Ham and Japheth were all brothers from the same mother and father so why do we think that its only Ham whowas black?


Good point, someone ask the same question and is really the same question I asked. If Cush and Ham's other children were black, why not canaan. Since What race Canaanwas isup for debate, what Ham and his brotherswere is also still up for debate because lots of people up here don't agree that Ham or Canaan was black.


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Who Is The Original Man?

The Original Man is the Asiatic Black Man - the Maker, the Owner, the Cream of the Planet Earth, God of the Universe.

We are "the First and the Last", "the Beginning and the Ending", the "Alpha and Omega". We were here long before Ham or his father.

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Although not the curse spoken of, black people are indeed still under a specific curse...I should say curses..curses that were bestowed due to the fact that black people have strayed from their original spirituality and knowledge of their true father and creator (and his laws/statues), Yahweh. It reminds me of the G-O-D paradigm.

Knowing thyself and Yahweh, black people can be restored to their true GODliness. By definition a god is a person or thing of supreme value. Or if black people continue to follow their path away from Yahweh, they will remain in an indentured servitude-like state...still sleep, still not knowing and living very much like a DOG. This by definition is a worthless person. Everybody knows how dependent a dog is to his master, who is only but a man and not a god.
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interesting...

the only curse in the Bible that I can remember in which colour was noted, was the curse of leprosy which turned the skin "white as snow"

now thats in the bible!



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that is very true

people tend to make up things for their own means. what alot of people fail to realise is that race and colour is not mentioned in the bible or is race wars etc. although solomon in his songs did say .........i am black and comely....he was just emphasising how beautiful he is.

Race and colour is mentioned in the Bible

Numbers 12 vs 1

And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

Moses married a black woman, his sister Miriam wasn't happyverse 10 of the same chapter God cursed Miriam and she became leprous.


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interesting...

the only curse in the Bible that I can remember in which colour was noted, was the curse of leprosy which turned the skin "white as snow"

now thats in the bible!



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that is very true

people tend to make up things for their own means. what alot of people fail to realise is that race and colour is not mentioned in the bible or is race wars etc. although solomon in his songs did say .........i am black and comely....he was just emphasising how beautiful he is.
I guess you could call what I'm about to write a "theory", those who can and know how to could just check the Akasha records. I do know the story behind that bible and that it is a translation of the original holy text (OT) with the new testament being a mischievous blend of some canons and added corrupted text, but color may have not been mentioned as much because it was common knowledge at one point that everyone was melaninated (i.e. black) to a degree before sometime before some "grafting" was done to produce the antithesis of melaninated people. So people defined themselves by their geographic location (like Caanite).

The pseudo-science of "race" wasn't really created until sometime later for the objective of dividing by classification and to implement the hierarchal race-based system that still exists today.
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HLF wrote: [quote]blackgal77 wrote:
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interesting...

the only curse in the Bible that I can remember in which colour was noted, was the curse of leprosy which turned the skin "white as snow"

now thats in the bible!





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that is very true

people tend to make up things for their own means. what alot of people fail to realise is that race and colour is not mentioned in the bible or is race wars etc. although solomon in his songs did say .........i am black and comely....he was just emphasising how beautiful he is.
I guess you could call what I'm about to write a "theory", those who can and know how to could just check the Akasha records. I do know the story behind that bible and that it is a translation of the original holy text (OT) with the new testament being a mischievous blend of some canons and added corrupted text, but color may have not been mentioned as much because it was common knowledge at one point that everyone was melaninated (i.e. black) to a degree before sometime before some "grafting" was done to produce the antithesis of melaninated people. So people defined themselves by their geographic location (like Caanite).

The pseudo-science of "race" wasn't really created until sometime later for the objective of dividing by classification and to implement the hierarchal race-based system that still exists today.



can you explain how they where grafted ?

did this grafting supposedy take place on the greek island of patmos.
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BullShit! How are the first people, the oldest people cursed? What a crock of BS! More Indo-European attacks on us, one of the oldest and most perservering.


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can you explain how they where grafted?
did this grafting supposedy take place on the greek island of patmos.
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I don't really care much about the location, but the actual "grafting" was the secondary process.
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Are Black People Cursed?
THE CURSE OF HAM by Tony Evans


Because Ham was the father of black people, and because he and his descendants were cursed to be slaves because of his sin against Noah, some Christians said, "Africans and their descendants are destined to be servants, and should accept their status as slaves in fulfillment of biblical prophecy." (4)

Now there existed a myth of inferiority with apparent biblical roots. This theological basis provided the raw material necessary to convince the slaves that to resist their assigned inferior status was to resist the will of God. This myth became an authoritative myth because it was rooted in theology, and slave owners used this twisted theology to sustain a perverted sociology. This process is known as sacralization, the development of theological and religious beliefs to serve the interest of a particular ethnic or racial group.

I knew that something did not sound right about the curse of Ham theory when I first heard it as a teenager. A white minister was giving me the biblical reason why my people and I had to endure the humiliation of American racism. Because I couldn't prove otherwise and because my favorite Bible, the famous Old Schofield Reference Bible (5), which had become the official version of American fundamentalism, endorsed the curse of Ham theory, I had little recourse other than to accept it.

After all, those promoting it were "trained" in the Bible and theology at the finest fundamentalist institutions in our country-institutions, by the way, that at that time would not allow blacks to enroll as students. With the endorsement of the Old Schofield Bible, coupled with the legal status of American segregation, the myth was firmly established and embedded in the American psyche.

Never mind, of course, that the Bible says that Canaan, Ham's son, was cursed, not Ham himself. Thus, only one of Ham's four sons, not all four, were cursed. How then could all black people everywhere be cursed? Never mind that the Bible places limitations on curses-only three or four generations at most (Ex. 20:5).

Never mind that the curse on Canaan and his descendants-"Now there, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaves"-finds its most obvious fulfillment in the ongoing defeat and subjugation of Canaan by Israel (Josh. 9:23; 1 Kings 9:20-21).

Never mind that the descendants of Ham's other so