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01-05-05, 11:36 PM
I am not exactly sure where in the bible it is stated(i think the old testament) but it is stated that black ppl were cursed with black skin and big lips. This is in the bible and is believed by christians the JEWSand many others .This important part of the bible has been used to justify the atrocities against us.
Can someone tell; me where exactly in bible it says this?
Ppl have to know this is a wk of fiction, god wouldn't curse us god blessed us with our intelligence and beauty he made us in his image.
This propaganda is just another tool in white supremacy. It is as authentic as the depiction of jesus as blue eyed and blond haired.
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02-05-05, 03:37 AM
And the sons of Noah that went out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And Ham is the father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah, and the whole earth was overspread from them. And Noah began to be a husbandman. And he planted a vineyard. And he drank of the wine and was drunk. And he was uncovered inside his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. And Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it upon both their shoulders. And they went backwards and covered the nakedness of their father. And their faces were backwards, and they did not see their father’s nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and came to know what his younger son had done to him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan. He shall be a servant of servants to his brothers. And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem, and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem. And Canaan shall be their servant.
Genesis 9:18–27
No mention of colour there! neither is there anyreason to believe Canaan is the ancestor ofall or anyblack africans.
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02-05-05, 06:28 AM
Precisely...
Although the Bible does speak of a curse on Ham and his seed, nowhere does it mention being "black" as part of the curse.
"Blackness" being a curse comes from the Jewish tradition, or TALMUD, which is not part of the Old Testament, but reflects the interpretation of some Jewish Scholars.
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02-05-05, 07:27 AM
Although the atrocities committed against black people can never be justified, they can be explained.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68
But if shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:...........
Many don't believe that blacks were the original Hebrews but the curses contained herein speak for themselves.
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02-05-05, 05:42 PM
i faintly remember being told about a hadith where muhammed,pbuh, talks about the BLESSINGS Allah has given each race.
i think it is said that black people were made physically the strongest and most athletic. all the other races had been given certain attributes better than the other.
dont quote me on this though!
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02-05-05, 06:21 PM
TheStudent wrote: i faintly remember being told about a hadith where muhammed,pbuh, talks about the BLESSINGS Allah has given each race.
i think it is said that black people were made physically the strongest and most athletic. all the other races had been given certain attributes better than the other.
dont quote me on this though!
Interesting...
You seem to "faintly remember" quite afew hadiths which you for some reason never bother to quote or give references for.
As a matter of fact, you STILL have not honored my request to SHOW us the Hadith that says in matters of difference of opinion, one is obligated to submit to the majority.
Regarding the hadith you are claiming to reference here, I seriously doubt that the Prophet (PBUH) would say something so utterly STUPID! "Oh, Black people were blessed with strength and agility, but everyone else got INTELLIGENCE"...lol...please.
If you don't want to be quoted on it, then why use your faint memory of being told about it??
Show us the hadith, and then we can discuss it intelligently.
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02-05-05, 10:31 PM
Regarding the hadith you are claiming to reference here, I seriously doubt that the Prophet (PBUH) would say something so utterly STUPID!Â* "Oh, Black people were blessed with strength and agility, but everyone else got INTELLIGENCE"'
what is stupid is that you put words in my mouth. please show me where i wrote 'everyone else got intelligence'? is this your LOW self esteem and apparent SELF victimisation talking here?
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03-05-05, 12:03 AM
interesting...
the only curse in the Bible that I can remember in which colour was noted, was the curse of leprosy which turned the skin "white as snow"
now thats in the bible!
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03-05-05, 05:06 AM
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TheStudent wrote: what is stupid is that you put words in my mouth. please show me where i wrote 'everyone else got intelligence'? is this your LOW self esteem and apparent SELF victimisation talking here?
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Interesting...
I didn't put words in YOUR mouth. I am objecting to YOU putting such stupidness in the mouth of the Prophet(PBUH). If Black people got "strength" and "athleticism", then what did the other races get? What do they excell in? And what is the subtle suggestion in this line of reasoning?
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The statement was stereotypical at the very least.
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As far as self esteem is concerned, a person who tells the truth as it is is far less likely to suffer from self esteem issues than someone who needs to EXAGGERATE or DISTORT the truth in an attempt to gain validation.
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"I heard about a hadith once...black people got the physical prowess,...but other races excel in other things"...
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What "other things" are there ? Please give examples to support your statement.
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"...you STILL have not honored my request to SHOW us the Hadith that says in matters of difference of opinion, one is obligated to submit to the majority.
...Show us the hadiths, and then we can discuss it intelligently."
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03-05-05, 11:18 AM
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the only curse in the Bible that I can remember in which colour was noted, was the curse of leprosy which turned the skin "white as snow"
now thats in the bible!
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that is very true
people tend to make up things for their own means. what alot of people fail to realise is that race and colour is not mentioned in the bible or is race wars etc. although solomon in his songs did say .........i am black and comely....he was just emphasising how beautiful he is.
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03-05-05, 05:18 PM
Yes thanks for the responses, i know that the bible didn't exactly say that but it is an interpretation that has been used to justify slavery etc.
However i do find the curse of leprosy turning the skin as white as snow interesting, can someone tell where exactly in the bible it says this. I am assuming if the skin is going to be turned as white as snow it wasn't beforehand- thus these weren't white ppl but possibly black.I heard that in the Quran it says that the blond and blue eyed should be rounded up, can some1 clarify or i probably got it wrong.
I find the bible to be a mixture of truth and lies, it has been edited to benefit the powerful few- what do ppl think?
Do the Hebrew israelites beleive all black ppl are hebrews-something like thatbecause they are iving under the curse i am assuming it is of ham.
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03-05-05, 05:49 PM
First and foremost. Ham wasNEVER cursed.
Yes he did comitt the wrongful act But
It was his son Canaan who the curse was put down on.
The Bible DID NOT say Black people were cursed REMEMBER THAT!!
Even if there was a reference to black people (which there was not)then all black people would not be cursed because Ham had four sons only one was cursed.
READ Genesis 9 vs22-27 and Genesis 10
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