thats rubbish. racism exists as soon as you begin to judge someone NEGATIVLEY based on their race.

yes, and malcolm x became Malik El Shabbaz as soon as he went on Hajj and found out that what the NOI was teaching WAS racism as he saw the vast mix of RACES that Islam possessed. he then became an ORTHODOX muslim due to this.why do you think the BLACK NOI members killed him?

which atrocities? introducing the TRUE faith to Africa? giving black people EQUAL rights and freeing them from slavery? on the subject of slavery, slaves were taken from the non believers of ALL races, there were aprox 1 MILLION WHITE EUROPEN slaves working in north africa at one point with muslims. do you know anything about the Moors? in regards to NOI, as far as orthodox islam is concerned, they deal in SHIRK, which is the WORST sin possible. this is why they are criticsed.so please tell me, which attrocities? or have you forgotten about people such as the BLACK MUSLIM Mansa Musa from Mali? who at one time had an empire that ranged from west to east Africa? or the ex-slave Bilal, who was so highly regarded by prophet muhammed,pbuh, that he soon rose to such a high position as military general.

Allah does not judge you based on your skin, but on your PIETY towards Him. so let me ask you, who do you have faith in ? the black race? or The God who Created you?

Peace!

judging someone negatively based on race is called PREJUDICE- meaning to PRE JUGDE! hello! Racism is when you have the power to have your prejudices effect the lives of the people you pre judge! therefore i reiterate;

RACISM= PREJUDICE+POWER

The statement made on Malcolm, though very predictable can not be further from the truth. Malcolm X did not realise that what the Nation taught was racism. he went to mecca had a religious experince- but this did not make him divert his attention from the reality of the suffering Blck people in America. The only difference was that he Became more global in his perspective and Adopted a Pan Afrikan stance, meaning he saught to unite and liberate Black people all over the world. Hence why he began to say things like your religion is private- leave it at home, and then began to declare himself A BLACK NATIONLIST FREEDOM FIGHTER!

the so called black people who were responsible for the assasination of Malcolm X were agents of the American Government, as weremany of the so called members of the NOI, who were fuding with him. it is a well known fact that the Nation was infiltrated by the FBI & CIA becaus e of what it was doing in order to uplift Black people, and Malcolm X was a prime target within that! funny how we quick to call the black but fail to see the hands of the white who pull the strings.

people love to talk about the little time Malcolm spent in Mecca. however malcolm spent 6 months of the last 2 years of his life in Africa, pursing Pan African activity. in Ghana he was given the name Omowale (meaning the son has returned), and he described this as the greatest honour ever bestowed upon him- this after he had been to Mecca!

its funny how you missed the point of the quote though!

Atrocities- invasion of Africa, and enslavement of Africans by Arabic Islam rule, predates that of christianity. infact its one of the reason why christian invasion entually became so successfull. Islam never freed us from any form of slavery infact it was the one of the first kinds of slaverywe encoutered

we insult ourselves when we credit invaders with bringing "true faith" to Africa, as if we never had no God before the Arabs came, andtherefore give life to this fallacy of Africa being some dark continent with kno history.Africans taught the world about the creator no one taught us,no one had to brings us anything.

yes i am aware of the historical figures mentioned. however greater civilisations were built in Africa under traditional african practice, and many of the islamic ones actually symbolise a greater level of Arab control over Afrcan Land and enslavement of African people.

Let us not Insult ourselves any longer!

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the man that shot Malik El Shabbaz was BLACK, regardless of who was paying his bills. this is a fact.

Malik El Shabbaz LEFT the NOI after visiting Mecca. He said it opened his eyes to true islam and made him realise that white people are not 'the devil' as was taught by the NOI.this is a fact.

we do not visit mecca to have an 'honour bestowed' on us. we do it to be close to Allah and seek His forgiveness.

racism is disallowed in islam. the only discinction made between people is that of believer and unbeliever. in the time of muhammed (and still today), the majority of christians were actually pagans. the jews, due to their ill treatment of past prophets and corruption of the law, had become cursed by God. all over africa there were many practioners of black magic (juju and the like). islam is very clear on the prohibitation of soliciting (negative) forces as well any type of idol worship.

there is no nationalism in islam. the only alligence that is accepted is that due to Allah and His prophets.
this continous call for 'Africa, Africa, Black, Black' is simply the tactic of the devil.yes africa needs a balance restored to it, but sureley your first aim should be the corrupt leaders that run her countries and not a faith that is practicsed by 1.5 billion people around the world of all races and nationalitites. maybe you should look at YOUR OWN prejudices and question your own belifs. its always the eastiest thing to do to blame somebody else, yet the hardest thing to do to look within yourself. Their are many examples of Africans selling themselves out, these incidencies have nothing to do with TRUE islam, but everything to do with the greed of men.

just have time to reply to one of your points

'My "prejuideces" are not without substance. it is a fact that Islam invaded and enslaved africans- therefor ei see Islams effect on Black people for what it is. i'm not in to blame theories. if you notice i have talked about us gettin up and doing something about it, which is what (getting back to the original issue) NOI, are doing which is why i give them credit- where as you seek to criticise them on the virtue of there practice of islam. this suggests that there is nore to Islam than just belief in Allah as u stated before. '

NOI believe that Allah appeared as their founder 'master fard'. this is a complete deviation from islamic beliefs. this one belief puts them out of the fold of islam. they are NOT muslims. that is a fact. do not judge islam based on the NOI, but on the life of muhmammed and the quran.islam teaches freedom from oppresion for all people.it also teaches the correct treatment of slaves (who the majority were POW's). i will post up a thread about the ir correct place and treatment soon so you can understand.

peace

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah(God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims. We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no God and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

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"For thousands of years, the people who did not have the knowledge of the person, or reality, of God worshipped their own ideas of God. He has been made like many things other than what He really is...

"Allah(God) came to us from the Holy City Mecca, Arabia, in 1930. He used the name Wallace D. Fard, often signing it W.D. Fard. In the third year (1933), He signed His name W.F. Muhammad, which stands for Wallace Fard Muhammad. He came alone. He began teaching us the knowledge of ourselves, of God and the devil, of the measurement of the earth, of other planets, and of the civilizations of some of the planets other than earth.

"He measured and weighed the earth and its water; the history of the moon; the history of the two nations, black and white, that dominate the earth. He gave the exact birth of the white race; the name of their God who made them, and how; and the end of their time, the Judgement, and how it will begin and end.

"He taught us the truth of how we were made "slaves" and how we are kept in slavery by the "slave-masters" children. He declared the doom of America, for evils to us, was past due; and that she is number one to be destroyed. Her judgement could not take place until we hear the Truth.

"He declared that we were without the knowledge of self or anyone else. How we had been made blind, deaf and dumb by this white race of people; and how we must return to our people, our God and His religion of peace(Islam), the religion of the prophets. We must give up the slave names of our slavemasters and accept the name of Allah(God), or one of His Divine Attributes. He also taught us to give up all evil doings and practices, and do righteousness or be destroyed from the face of the earth.

"He taught us that the slavemasters had taught us to eat the wrong food and that this wrong food is the cause of our sickness and short span of life. He declared that He would heal us and set us in heaven at once, if we would submit to Him; otherwise, He would chastise us with a severe chastisement until we did submit; and that He was able to force the whole world into submission to His Will. He said that He loved us (the so-called Negroes), His lost and found, so well that he would eat rattlesnakes to free us if necessary, for He has power over all things.

"I asked Him, 'Who are you, and what is your real name?' He said, 'I am the One that the world has been expecting for the past 2,000 years.' I said to Him again, 'What is your name?' He said, 'My name is Mahdi. I am God. I came to guide you into the right path that you may be successful and see the hereafter.' "

-- From the book, MESSAGE TO THE BLACK MAN, by The Hon. Elijah Muhammad
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"Who is the Mahdi? He is a man, a human being, yet in Him is the Guidance, Knowledge, Wisdom and Power to bring religion back to its right state; to destroy the enemies of the True Path of God; and to lay the Base for the Kingdom of Islam(Peace), which Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was appointed to give a sign of.

"The very ritual of Hajj is a sign of what the world will be like in totality when the Mahdi establishes the Kingdom of Islam(Peace). In that day, there will be no racism to corrupt the Spirit of Islam. There will be no sexism, there will be no materialism and there will be no nationalism. All of the corrupters of the True Spirit of Islam will be completely destroyed.

"The Holy Qur'an, in its application, is preparation to live in the Hereafter. The "Hereafter" is here, on Earth, after the destruction of the power of the wicked to interfere with the establishment of the Kingdom of Islam. In that new world, there will be no need for a law that punishes adultery, homosexuality, rape, murder, theft or any offense, because there will be no lawbreakers.

"The Holy Qur'an teaches that in the Hereafter, there will be "no vain discourse", only peace. This implies a place where there is only righteousness and complete submission to the Will of Allah, for there is no peace without submission to His Will.

"The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that Islam as we know it will not be in the Hereafter. The principles will remain, but there will be a totaly new knowledge. He said that the Hereafter is a continuation of this life on the highest plane of existence. It is the life we knew before the Fall of Adam. The One Who brings about this Reality is not a prophet; He is the Manifestation of God.

"Master Fard Muhammad, The Great Mahdi, came to North America by Himself. He is a Master with the Knowledge and Understanding of the root of this world. His Knowledge enables Him to uproot this world and begin a new one. His complete understanding of our illness, and the illness of the entire human family, enabled Him to design a medicine(teaching) to heal us.

Master Fard Muhammad is the Conduit through Whom the Message from the Lord of the worlds came to us.

He is alive and has Absolute Power to bring His Will into fruition because His Will is in complete harmony with the Eternal Will of the Originator of the Heavens and the Earth."

~The Honorable Louis Farrakhan~

lets find out more about NOI:

'In fact, Fard’s religion was not Islam, but a contradictory blend of Islam, Jehovah’s Witness doctrine, gnosticism and heretical Christian teachings. Fard’s doctrines were transmitted orally in The Secret Ritual of the Nation of Islam, which had to be memorized verbatim, and also in book form in The Teaching for the Lost Found Nation of Islam in a Mathematical Way, distributed only to registered, loyal followers. His followers were required to give up their surname, or slave name, and he would give them a new name—not an African name, but an Arabic name, such as Sharrieff, Muhammad, or Karriem.

Fard taught that the black man was not African, not even Arabic, but “Asiatic� in origin (on Malcolm X’s draft card, under the category of race, he wrote “Asiatic�).[9] According to Elijah Muhammad, Fard taught that black people, both individually and as a race, were God. Furthermore, there were a series of special Gods who would live for hundreds of years at a time. Besides Fard’s claims about the origins of the white race, one of his more exotic stories was about the “Mother Plane� or “Mother Ship,� an aircraft built by black scientists in Japan many thousands of years ago. This aircraft, undectable by radar, still circled the earth and carried powerful weapons which would be used on white America if she dared to harm the members of the Nation of Islam.[10]

Both Fard’s origins and disappearance are topics of debate. Ethnically, Fard was probably biracial; surviving photos show a man with very straight hair and dark, Caucasian features. Elijah Muhammad said Fard “taught me that His Father was a real Black Man. His Father went up into the mountains (governments of the Caucasians) picking out a white woman to marry so that she would give birth to a son looking white but yet the Father is Black.�[11] Though some NOI critics have confidently asserted that Fard was white, he “passed� as black and was probably of mixed parentage.

After a bizarre human sacrifice in November 1932 involving two NOI members in Detroit (one of them a willing victim), three NOI members were arrested: Robert Karriem (the confessed sacrificer), Wallace D. Fard, and Ugan Ali, an NOI teacher. The following day over five hundred NOI members marched on the police headquarters in protest. Karriem (whose real name was Robert Harris) thought he was carrying out NOI teachings, and the police were suspicious of a black voodoo cult. Fard told them, “I am the Supreme Ruler of the Universe,� though his followers were dismayed that he told the police so much more than he told NOI adherents.[14] Fard and Ali were finally released, and Harris was committed to an insane asylum.

Malcom X realising that NOI teaches bulls*it after visting Meccca:

Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and the overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this Ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad, and all the other prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me. . . .

America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered “white�—but the “white� attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.

You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to re-arrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. . . .

All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds.

Sincerely,
El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz

In January 1964, Elijah Muhammad expelled his own son Wallace Muhammad, who had also been one of Malcolm’s closest friends. Wallace and Malcolm had both concluded that W.D. Fard could not have been Allah