Nation Of Islam

Born_Again04 · (#1 (**permalink**))

Are they a bunch of racist cults or what??

Though they call themselves muslims, they do not have similar beliefs as the original muslims?

I notice they encourage racial hatred amongs whites?

Is this a Heaven bound spirit??

Born_Again04

TheStudent · (#2 (**permalink**))

they are nothing but lipservice muslims. they may take on some arabic name, put on a kufi, get their women to dress in hijabs and even pray 5 times a day, but they are not REAL muslims.

they have taken the quran and interpreted it in their own unique, 'wacky' way. for example they believe that God is really the black man and all black men are God. this is because that it is said in the quran that man was made from 'mud'. mud being black!! talk about taking things a bit too LITERALLY!

they believe that God manifested Himself into their leader 'master fard', this is obviouslt bull-crap and blasphemous to say the least. this is the main reason that they are not following the TRUE islam

as well as all of their racist views.

when you see one of them, ask them how many non-blacks are in the NOI?
i would like to know

TheStudent · (#3 (**permalink**))

they are nothing but lipservice muslims. they may take on some arabic name, put on a kufi, get their women to dress in hijabs and even pray 5 times a day, but they are not REAL muslims.

they have taken the quran and interpreted it in their own unique, 'wacky' way. for example they believe that God is really the black man and all black men are God. this is because that it is said in the quran that man was made from 'mud'. mud being black and because man was made in the image of God!! talk about taking things a bit too LITERALLY!

they believe that God manifested Himself into their leader 'master fard', this is obviouslt bull-crap and blasphemous to say the least. this is the main reason that they are not following the TRUE islam

as well as all of their racist views.

when you see one of them, ask them how many non-blacks are in the NOI?
i would like to know

IJ2020 · (#4 (**permalink**))

what makes a person a non-muslim? i have read that it is possible for muslims to commit really bad sins and still be a muslim. theyre just a bad muslim. a muslim who is sinning. for example a muslim who drinks or fornicates is committing major sins and is headed for the hellfire if he dont repent. but he is still a muslim. just a very bad one. but what certainly makes one a non-muslim is shirk. and claiming that allah (swt) came down in the form of a man is shirk. therefore noi peeps aint muslims.

bsoa · (#5 (**permalink**))

You make it sound like Islam is a great and pure Religion...It is just as Racist, Murderous, Filthy and Hypocritical as Christianity and Judaism as far as the Black Man and Woman is Concerned.

One Zero Seven · (#6 (**permalink**))

Salaam...

One man takes a rope and uses it to pull a man out of a ditch he had fallen into.

Another man takes the same rope and hangs an innocent man by the neck until he's dead.

Is the rope good or evil?

RM

Truth Advocator · (#7 (**permalink**))

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Hotep (Peace),

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Religion is poison and has not risen black people to our place of position in the world, that we once held prior to being converted to religion by our conquerors.

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Many of my african ancestors had to survive, through slavery, by eating poisonous food. The poisonous food wasn't reallygood for them, however, it helped them get by andwas useful for that period of time. Religion is spiritual poisonous foodthat was necessary to feed off of for a certain period of time,for religion is an opiate, to fill in the void that our ancestral spiritual concepts once occupied.

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What Elijah Muhammad, whom I honor and respect for his great works and sacrifices, did was use one poison to counteract another poison. When one is bitten by a venomous snake, they must be injected with venom to counteract the effects of the venom they were bitten/injected with. The snake in this case is the European enslaver/conqueror and the venom is christianity that he bit my ancestors with. Elijah Muhammad used the venom of Islamfrom the Arab vipers tocounteract the venom of the European.

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Shem Hotep

Born_Again04 · (#8 (**permalink**))

MayI ask then who is Elijah Muhammad?

Truth Advocator · (#9 (**permalink**))

Born_Again04 wrote:

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MayI ask then who is Elijah Muhammad?

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An historical look at
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad

Thirty-four years after the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad was born on or about Oct. 7, 1897 in Sandersville, Georgia.

The exact date of his birth remains unknown because record keeping in rural Georgia for the descendants of slaves was not kept current, according to historians and family members. Nevertheless, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said his birth took place some time in the first or second week of October in 1897 and set forth Oct. 7 as the anniversary date of his birth.

Indeed, life in the rural South at the turn of the century was quite hard. Poverty and survival were at war with each other. Elijah Poole, the son of a minister, and whose parents, William (later named Wali) and Marie Poole, had 12 other children, had to quit school after barely finishing the third grade to work in the fields as a sharecropper so his family could eat.

Just before the roaring twenties came in, Elijah Poole married the former Clara Evans, also of Georgia. They had eight children, Emmanuel, Ethel, Lottie, Nathaniel, Herbert, Elijah, Jr., Wallace and Akbar.

In April 1923, Elijah Poole moved his young family from Macon, Georgia, where he worked for the Southern Railroad Company and the Cherokee Brick Company to Detroit, Mich. Black families, like the Pooles, were leaving the south, at that time, in search of better economic and social circumstances. Detroit was a bustling upwardly mobile city with its burgeoning auto industry.

The stock market crash in 1929 was the gateway to economic misery that sparked the fuel of the "Great Depression" of the 1930s. Moreover, America's racial situation continued its downward spiral. Lynchings, race riots and other forms of terrorism against Blacks continued unabated.

But Detroit, with its huge population of 1.5 million people including 250,000 thousand Blacks, was beginning to see changes in its social scene. On July 4, 1930, the long awaited "Saviour" of the Black man and woman, Master W. Fard Muhammad, appeared in this city. He announced and preached that God is One, and it is now time for Blacks to return to the religion of their ancestors, Islam.

News spread all over the city of Detroit of the preachings of this great man from the East. Elijah Poole's wife first learned of the Temple of Islam and wanted to attend to see what the commotion was all about, but instead, her husband advised her that he would go and see for himself.

Hence, in 1931, after hearing his first lecture at the Temple of Islam, Elijah Poole was overwhelmed by the message and immediately accepted it. Soon thereafter, Elijah Poole invited and convinced his entire family to accept the religion of Islam.

The Founder of the Nation of Islam gave him the name "Karriem" and made him a minister. Later he was promoted to the position of "Supreme Minister" and his name was changed to Muhammad. "The name 'Poole' was never my name," he would later write, "nor was it my father's name. It was the name the white slave-master of my grandfather after the so-called freedom of my fathers."

Mr. Muhammad quickly became an integral part of the Temple of Islam. For the next three and one-half years, Mr. Muhammad was personally taught by his Teacher non-stop. The Muslim community, in addition to establishing religious centers of worship, began to start businesses under the aegis of economic development that focuses on buying and selling between and among Black companies. Mr. Muhammad establishes a newspaper, "The Final Call to Islam," in 1934. This would be the first of many publications he would produce.

Meanwhile, Mr. Muhammad helped establish schools for the proper education of his children and the community. Indeed, the Muslim parents felt that the educational system of the State of Michigan was wholely inadequate for their children, and they established their own schools.

By 1934, the Michigan State Board of Education disagreed with the Muslim's right to pursue their own educational agenda, and the Muslim Teachers and Temple Secretary were jailed on the false charge of contributing to the delinquency of minors. Mr. Muhammad said he committed himself to jail after learning what had happened. Ultimately, the charges were later dropped, and the officials were freed and Mr. Muhammad received six months' probation to take the Muslim children out of the Islamic school and put them under white Christian teachers. "This I did not do," he said. He moved to the city of Chicago in September of that same year.

His Teacher, Master W. Fard Muhammad, was also harassed by the police and was forced out of the city of Detroit and moved to Chicago where he continued to face imprisonment and harassment by the police.

Hence, on February 26, 1934, Master W. Fard Muhammad, departed the scene and left the Honorable Elijah Muhammad with the mission of resurrecting the Black man and woman.

By 1935, Mr. Muhammad faced many new challenges. His teacher had instructed him to go to Washington, D.C. to visit the Library of Congress in order to research 104 books on the religion of Islam, among other subjects.

Also, after assuming the leadership of the Temple of Islam by the order of the Founder of the Nation of Islam, Mr. Muhammad faced a death plot at the hands of a few disgruntled members. Mr. Muhammad avoided their evil plan and went to Washington, D.C. to study and build a mosque there. He was known under many names, "Mr. Evans," his wife's maiden name, "Ghulam Bogans," "Muhammad Rassoull," "Elijah Karriem" and "Muhammad of 'U' Street."

Consequently, Mr. Muhammad, while in Washington, D.C. Was arrested on May 8, 1942, for allegedly evading the draft. "When the call was made for all males between 18 and 44, I refused (NOT EVADED) on the grounds that, first, I was a Muslim and would not take part in war and especially not on the side with the infidels," he wrote in "Message To The Blackman." "Second, I was 45 years of age and was NOT, according to the law, required to register."

Many other male members of the Nation of Islam at that time were imprisoned for being conscientious objectors to World War II.

After World War II ended, Mr. Muhammad won his release from prison and returned to Chicago. From Chicago, the central point of the Nation of Islam, Mr. Muhammad expanded his membership drive to new heights. Among the many new members enrolled in the ranks of Islam included Brother Malcolm X and his family.

During the 1950s, Mr. Muhammad promoted Min. Malcolm X to the post of National Spokesman, and began to syndicate his weekly newspaper column, "Mr. Muhammad Speaks," in Black newspapers across the country. Membership was increasing when, in 1955, Minister Louis Farrakhan, then Louis Walcott, an entertainer, enrolled in the Nation of Islam after hearing Mr. Muhammad deliver a speech in Chicago.

Persecution of the Muslims continued. Members and mosques continued to be attacked by whites in Monroe, La., Los Angeles, Calif., and Flint, Mich., among others. Publicity in the white owned and operated media began to circulate anti-Nation of Islam propaganda on a large scale. By the early 1960s, the Readers Digest magazine described Mr. Muhammad as the most powerful Black man in America.

In Washington, D.C., Mr. Muhammad delivered his historic Uline Arena address and was afforded presidential treatment, receiving a personal police escort.

Subsequently, television commentator Mike Wallace, in conjunction with Louis Lomax, a Black journalist, aired the documentary, "The Hate That Hate Produced," on a local New York City station. The documentary misrepresents the message of the Nation of Islam, calling it a hate teaching. James Baldwin, a famous Black author, released the book, "The Fire Next Time," based largely upon his interview with Mr. Muhammad.

At the same time, white political leaders such as Senator Al Gore Sr., began to denounce the Nation of Islam and hold hearings on alleged "un-American" activities. Minister Louis Farrakhan and the ministers of Islam defended the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam against these attacks in mass media in their public speeches, written editorials and other public relations thrusts.

Meanwhile, by 1964, Minister Malcolm X decided to separate from the Nation of Islam and formed his own religious and political organization. His very public defection from the Nation of Islam was based on his misinterpretation of the domestic life of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad.

Nevertheless, the atmosphere of rancor on both sides made ripe the environment for the secret police to meddle in the affairs of the Nation of Islam, according the late attorney, William Kuntsler. Mr. Kuntsler cited a declassified memo obtained through the Freedom of Information Act that revealed that the U.S. Government played a role in the 1965 assassination of Brother Malcolm X.

After the assassination of Brother Malcolm X, the New York mosque was fire bombed and the Muslim community was reeling. Mr. Muhammad then dispatched Minister Louis Farrakhan to New York City to take over the mosque there and begin the rebuilding effort. In 1965, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad promoted Minister Louis Farrakhan to the post of National Representative.

By the mid-sixties, Mr. Muhammad's ever-growing Islamic movement extended itself to more than 60 cities and settlements abroad in Ghana, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America among others places, according to the Muhammad Speaks newspaper, the religion's chief information apparatus.

A host of Islamic and African governments all over the world received him and donated generously to his mission. He made Hajj, (holy pilgrimage) to Mecca on more than one occasion and advocated worldwide brotherhood and sisterhood.

Every February 26, he brought together the faithful for Saviour's Day conventions in Chicago to remember his Teacher's birthday, to re-emphasize his message of moral and spiritual renewal and to announce his plans and agenda for the upcoming year. Economic development combined with moral and spiritual renewal began to show signs of progress with the establishment of farms, livestock and vegetable cultivation, rental housing, private home construction and acquisitions, other real estate purchases, food processing centers, restaurants, clothing factories, banking, business league formations, import and export businesses, aviation, health care, administrative offices, shipping on both land, sea and air, and men's and women's development and leadership training units. In 1972, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad opened a $2 million mosque and school in Chicago. During this important grand opening of Mosque No. 2, he praised and let it be known who his top helper was in his work.

He asked Min. Farrakhan to come before the religious community and then the following announcement while digressing from his previously stated remarks: "I want you remember, today, I have one of my greatest preachers here-what are you hiding behind the sycamore tree for brother? (He chuckled)-c'mon around here where they can see you. (A rousing round of applause ensued).

"We have with us today," the Messenger continued, "our great national preacher. The preacher who don't mind going into Harlem, New York, one of the most worst towns in our nation or cities. It is our brother in Detroit and Chicago or New York. But, I want you to remember every week he's on the air helping me to reach those people that I can't get out of my house and go reach them like he.

"I want you to pay good attention to his preaching. His preaching is a bearing of witness to me and what God has given to me," he declared. "This is one of the strongest national preachers that I have in the bounds of North America. Everywhere you hear him, listen to him. Everywhere you see him, look at him. Everywhere he advises you to go, go. Everywhere he advises you to stay from, stay from. For we are thankful to Allah for this great helper of mine, Min. Farrakhan." (Another rousing round of applause ensued). "He's not a proud man," he said. "He's a very humble man. If he can carry you across the lake without dropping you in; he don't say when you get on the other side, 'You see what I have done?' He tells you, 'You see what Allah has done.' He doesn't take it upon himself. He's a mighty fine preacher. We hear him every week, and I say continue to hear our Min. Farrakhan. I thank you."

In watching Minister Louis Farrakhan and the followers of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, the legacy of the Nation of Islam continues to make unlimited progress as witnessed in the miracle of the Two Million Man March among other truly amazing accomplishments.

Blakk 1 · (#10 (**permalink**))

Peace!

interesting topic! firstly let me just say NO- NOI are not racists, and anyone who has a clear overstanding of what racism is would not make that jugement.

i am not a muslim and therefore will not argue as to the aunthenticity of the Nations practice of Islam. furthermore,in my humble opinionIslam as a religion is authentic to us as a people, and therefore if the Nation do conflict with authentic Islam it would not surprise me. however i do understand that the Quran is subject to interpretation, the religion has its diferent faction (or denominations), who all have a differing analysison the religion (obviously with some similarities), therefore Nation is just another aspect within that, and weather you agree with them or not, to say they are not true muslims is quite a non valid staement.

The issue for me here is that the Nation has contributed alot in terms of the upliftment of the black community, particularly in the states and here in the UK, and therefore i give them credit for that. i have heard many muslim fundamentalists in general, and Black Orthodox Muslims criticise the Nation on the point of Islam, and it seems as if the issue is that they focus alot of there energy on Black Political issues.

to many of us seem to make this mistake of getting heaviuly involved in religion, most of which are not authentic to us anyway, and forget that we live in a world where we as a race all over the world are down troden. all over the world includes Muslim states, run by so called "real muslims". and let us not forget that we werew also enslaved in the name of Islam.

therefore whilste i do not harmonise with the Nations Religious persuations, the fact that they have actively and consistently fought the opression of our people for decades deserves credit, and therefore i id entify with them more than any "real muslim", especially those who do nothing for the benefit of our people, and then criticise the Nation for there stance!

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One Zero Seven · (#11 (**permalink**))

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Salaam...

One man takes a rope and uses it to pull a man out of a ditch he had fallen into.

Another man takes the same rope and hangs an innocent man by the neck until he's dead.

Is the rope good or evil?

RM