Whats more important? Freedom & Democracy or Religion!

COLTRANE · (#1 (**permalink**))

religion expects you to follow commandments, allegedly communicated from god to us via prophets, and set out in religious texts.
since the advent of democracy and widespread literacy many have decided that these commandments are of little, if any value.
the contradictions contained in religious texts dont help. for example is it, 'thou shalt not kill' or is it 'an eye for an eye?'

ebony_goddess · (#2 (**permalink**))

COLTRANE wrote:

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religion expects you to follow commandments, allegedly communicated from god to us via prophets, and set out in religious texts.
since the advent of democracy and widespread literacy many have decided that these commandments are of little, if any value.
the contradictions contained in religious texts dont help. for example is it, 'thou shalt not kill' or is it 'an eye for an eye?'

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i believe in freedom confused3dont do the religious stuff anymore....the more i grow...the more i realise religion is just to control ppl and put them in lil groups so itz easier.confused3

umbrarchist · (#3 (**permalink**))

What if God doesn't care about religion?

What is the 2nd commandment really about?

What if religion is religious leaders pretending they know more about God than everyone else and actually violating the 2nd commandment?

Thou shalt not use the name of the Lord thy God in VAIN!

umbrarchist

dimoke · (#4 (**permalink**))

COLTRANE wrote:

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religion expects you to follow commandments, allegedly communicated from god to us via prophets, and set out in religious texts.
since the advent of democracy and widespread literacy many have decided that these commandments are of little, if any value.
the contradictions contained in religious texts dont help. for example is it, 'thou shalt not kill' or is it 'an eye for an eye?'

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Well Coltrane, i sure hope that this is not one of your dig to Christians so as to prove your point as a Muslim that if only blacks would all convert to Islam blahhh blahhh......

The way i see it there is no such a thing as absolute democracy......democracy, simply put like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder......and with literacy, just because people can read and write, it does not necesarily mean that one has a population of highly involved people.........you only have to look at the west with all their educational drive, yet the people keeps getting dumber and dumber everyday.....

I think religion for black people in general has been the worst thing imaginable.....we walk around proudly talking of our cultures etc.....but religion, be it Christianity, Islam etc......has made it imposible for us as a race to develop one ofthe single most important factor in human development:Integrity.......becauseof religion, the black men and women, have no Integrity in themselves.....there is no connection between what we praise as the Almighty God and us as a PEOPLE.....our history is no connected in anyway......what we see is other people involved in the development of these religions......we are mere accidental worshipers......

We are simply crying after the left overs.....

So would democracy and iliteracy help Africans free themselves from the croutches of religion?? That, would depend intirely on the LEADERSHIPS that we will have in the future.......dunno how they would go about it though......:?

3rdeyeKnight · (#5 (**permalink**))

I believe that both are equally important, but if put into divine order, religion comes before Freedom and Democracy because God is alwaysat thecenter or foundation of any great nation. Religion is the first form of government because every living person has a spirit andthe masses will naturally assemble to forma system ofcommon set beliefs, values and practices for it'sdevelopment- Out of this,the effectivness or the lack thereof determines the quality of thought. When the mind is healthy and resistance to any opposing force is strong, Freedom and Democracy can be easily set into motion and maintained for ages.

One Zero Seven · (#6 (**permalink**))

Absolute Freedom is the antithesis of Order.

Imagine if all the planets were, all of a sudden,"free" to travel along the path dictated by their momentum, "free" from the pull of the Sun.

Imagine if the electrons in the atoms of our bodies were, all of a sudden, "free" to do the same, without the attracting power of the nucleus.

Now, imagine if people were, all of a sudden, "free" to travel along the paths of their individual cravings, without the controlling influence of Moral Law.

All lifehas, as prerequisites, LAW and ORDER, which makes absolute freedom impossible.

RM

COLTRANE · (#7 (**permalink**))

@dimoke

Dont be naive as I didnt mention Christinity or Islam when I srated the thread so why not stick to the thread and If you want to discuss Islam then I am up for it.

back to the thread:

People in democracies are only free to practice whatever superstitions the majority decides they should be allowed to practice. Do not confuse democracy with freedom they are not the same. It is perfectly possible for a state to be both democratic and theocratic at the same time if the majority vote for this.
The freedom from religious repression that we enjoy in this day and age comes largely as a result of having a well educated population that has over the years questioned the religious orthodoxy. It is not a result of democracy. In fact the church still has far too much power within the UK, after all the head of state is also leader of the official church. Bishops are appointed to the House of Lords and the media frequently interviews religious groups on issues such as abortion without having representatives of atheism or agnostisism.
I do not object to people following a religion if they wish but I very much object to religions suggesting they have a monopoly on morality. My morals are just as valid as theirs and are entirely secular.

iszo · (#8 (**permalink**))

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Christ, And he aint in none of em...He's the way of life.

Justavoice · (#9 (**permalink**))

May I just interject for a moment, the question seems a bit dubious. Why is freedom associated with Democracy, but not religion ?.

I believe in Jesus the Christ, I follow his teachings as laid down also through is Apostles. I follow the Apostle's teachings. The scripture says, He whom the Son sets free, is free indeed.

I believe myself to be free from all laws, even those set down through so-called democracy. I believe my mind is truely freed by the Son and by the systems of this world.

So I think the question is termed strangely.

I liked the film the matrix, because in that film, it showed that those free from the matrix had to still deal with those locked within it. Those within it, believed themselves to be free while yet sleeping.

Indeed morphesus the character in the film explained that the sleep was merely to turn them into a battery.

Democracy exists to turn the masses into a battery. Jesus exists, to free us of it.

Are we truely a free minded society ?, Do you really believe you don't follow commandments ?

Why do you stop at a red light, who programmed you that way ?.

Who are the men that wrote the human rights bill and why do we have to listen to them ? who made them a judge over us ?

Sleep No More · (#10 (**permalink**))

OF COURSE JESUS IS FIRST AND WHERE HE IS IS THE SPIRIT OF LIBERTY!! SO THROUGH CHRIST WE ARE MADE FREE, BUT WE ARE STILL UNDER LAW, WHETHER IT BE THE THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT, OR THE LAW OF THE LAND, OUR FREEDOM IS FREEDOM FROM THE BONDAGE OF SIN, DELIBERTLY SINNING, AND ENGAGING IN TRANSGRESSIONS AGAIN GOD, WE ARE FREE FROM HAVING TO LIVE LOW, DIGUSTED, HURT IN PAIN, UNSUCCESSFUL, POOR, SICK, UNGODLY, WE ARE FREE FROM THAT, WHEN GOD IS FIRST....banana.gif

ChildOfBodom · (#11 (**permalink**))

freedom is the most important thing, is you are free you are (should be) happy, and if you are religious you aren't free at all, one reason i dislike religion