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30-05-05, 03:32 PM
God was around before any bibles were printed. Let's take that as a given then, how didpeople worship God?
Did they worship God? Or would you say that the lifestyle of humans was according to how God wanted it to be, therefore there was no need forany bible?
If that is the case, were we all of one mind at least at one point?
Did our different concepts of God today, only evolved according to the cultures humans found themselves in?
Now there are several bibles. Every one of them claiming to be the word of God.
Imagine iftoday, all bibles were banned. 'Religion' would still be allowed, but thereare just no published/printed form of any religous documents.
Would we start worship in more different ways?
Would it matter?
How much then are we dependent on bibles for our 'religous', (for want of a better word), lifestyle and doctrine, rather than say what the God in our hearts wants?
These are open questions generally to encourage debate on what EXACTLY are 'religous' people following.
Is it bibles' or God?
If they are so interlinked so as to become inseperable, does that mean humanswere not really 'with' God before any of them were printed?What do you think would happen if the world ran out of ink or anything that could be used to print with?
So just what wouldeventually happen to'religions' ifall bibles were banned as of from today?
Yu tink se me dun but me na dun!
"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast".
Good News Bible. Rev. Ch.13 V.3
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30-05-05, 10:40 PM
THE WORD EXISTED BEFORE PAPER AND INK, IT WAS WRITTEN AND SETTLED IN HEAVEN IN THE BEGINNING, THE WORD CREATED AND MADE US, IT MADE PAPER AND INK, IT WAS NOT JUST WRITTEN ON TABLES OF STONE BUT WRITTEN ON THE FLESHY TABLES OF MANS HEART, JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOW WRITTEN, AS A TESTIMONY TO US THAT BELIEVE, DOESNT MEAN IT HASNT ALWAYS BEEN, BEFORE THE WORD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, IT WAS IN THE SPIRIT, ALWAYS WILL BE, ALWAYS WAS, SO IF THE BIBLES WERE REMOVED, IN WHICH ONE DAY THEY WILL, THEN THE WORD WILL BE HID IN MY HEART, THAT I MAY NOT SIN AGAINST GOD, THATS WERE THE WORD(JESUS) RESIDES ANYWAYS, THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WERE IN HEAVEN BEFORE THEY EXISTED ON STONE TABLETS, AND NOW THE STONE TABLETS TO PAPER FROM PAPER TO THE HEARTS OF MAN,
AND YES EVEN IN THE TIMES OF ADAM AND NOAH AND ABRAHAM, IN THOSE DISPENSATIONS GOD DID REVEAL MANY THINGS BY REVELATION AND HE STILL DOES, DOES IT MAKE HIM A DIFFERENT GOD BECAUSE HIS WORD IS NOW WRITTEN? GOD FORBID, HES STILL THE SAME AND HE WORKS IN SEASONS,
DIFFERENT REVELATIONS FOR DIFFERENT SEASONS, JUST LIKE WE SUIT OUR CLOTHES FOR THE SEASONS, HE IS GOD HE HAS A PLAN (WILL) AND HOW EVER HE DECIDES TO DELIVER IT, WHETHER BY WORD OF MOUTH OR WORD OF PAPER, ITS COOL WITH ME, BE BLESSED YA'LL...............P-CEblktype
Unbelief is Deceit,
THE SEAL OF THE LIVING GOD
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31-05-05, 05:13 AM
Ink and paper are cool but I love people more. Nothing compares to a warm greeting, a smile, a hug, and being told that you are loved by someone. As said by Sleep No More, the Living Word is kept "alive"throughthe hearts and minds of the people. God-consciousness has no beginning or end. The universal mind and spirt is of infinite resource keeping us ever-connected no matter what form Love chooses to manifest itselffor this planet or "plane of truth". The ancient text is for reference and reinforcement, but if all were destroyed, best believethere is more knowledge and wisdom where that came from. Peace.
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31-05-05, 11:24 AM
Ok.
Thanks sleepnomore and 3rdeyeknight
If God's laws were written in our hearts, why didhumans need the written words in the first place?
Yes both of you are right, God find ways to get his message across regardless. Personally, I believe in the power of the words of our mouths, then any other form of communication.
At the moment though we also have bibles.
So what is the point then of having them now?
Would the world today, be better off without bibles or not?
Has'religions' become too dependent on them - meaning does having bibles stifle reasoning, therefore what's in our hearts?
Has it become a tool as a last resort, to help resolve disputes? If they are being used as a tool to resolve disputes, doesn't that mean we NEED bibles?
Yu tink se me dun but me na dun!
"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast".
Good News Bible. Rev. Ch.13 V.3
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31-05-05, 03:14 PM
I think that when God was talking about the words written on our hearts a big part of that is talking about our concience.
It seems that people now a days don't have a concience. Killing for funhas somehow become a trend. Thats why we need the Bible.
If there were no Bibles their would be no morals.
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10-06-05, 11:14 AM
Ask yourself these, how many keep bible verses can you remember? You need a reference to keep going. There are too many promises for you, you cannot remember them all.
You need to have a proof, not just take what you are told by people. Some people say rubbish or misinterprete God's word, you need your bible to check that, not just because this Man of God said that, so it is correct.
When those who have a great knowledge of the bible are talking about something, or referring to a verse in the bible, they may know it, but they do ask people to turn to the place in the bible so that you know they are not saying the wrong thing.
The Bible is the Word of God, it is the most common way in Which God speak to us today. It is impossible for someone to Be a Christain and not want to read the bible. Of course it is different if you cannot read.
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10-06-05, 12:02 PM
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So are you saying then, that if all bibles were banned from the earth, 'religion' or Christianity will die out?
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"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast".
Good News Bible. Rev. Ch.13 V.3
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10-06-05, 01:52 PM
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So are you saying then, that if all bibles were banned from the earth, 'religion' or Christianity will die out?
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Of course not, that will never happen anyway. In the unlikely event that there were no bibles, we would still worship God through whatever means, but God will intervene.
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Anyway, while we have the resources, let us put it to our best use. A lot of prisoners still have bibles, but they who are being persecuted because of their faith may not have the bible with them in prison, but they still give glory to God.
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Christains are told to meditate on the word of God day and Night.
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"A christain who doesn't read the bible isdead spiritually" - SAINT
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"A christian who doesn't read the bible cannot grow in a spiritual way that he/she is meant to" also this fellow can not tap into the things of God.
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of course there are few exception, those who too old to read for example is a dfifferent senario. God understands
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Heb "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
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10-06-05, 04:42 PM
So what about a Buddist who doesnt read the Bible. Is he/she spiritually dead as well.
What a pompous view to have. Were Africans spiritually dead before they were taken across the Atlantic and handed the Bible on arrival. Did the white man save our souls then?
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10-06-05, 05:49 PM
@Saint
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm trying togauge just how much we need or depend on bibles.
What about the people before the times bibles were written? Were they not with God?
You say God will intervene if bibles were banned - how so? If you mean that his presence will be felt by believers - I believe that, but I think that applies now. In other words, with or without a bible God will still be amongst us.
Now if that is the case, why have bibles?
Whether or not you think this scenario of no bibles being in existence will happen or not, just go along with it - imagine there are no bibles.
You say again that we need it if for reference. But there are still arguments. What aboutthe different interpretations?And again - what about the time when people did not have bibles - didn't they still beliveve?
The way I look on it Saint, is that some people look on the bible almost as an idol in itself.
Suppose one of us suddenly found ourselves in the middle of a deep blue ocean, the fact that we'dbe able to call on our Creator withouthaving learnt great passages from the bible, or even had read it at all, don't you believe that he'd still help us?
What about the people you quoted - the people who can't read or the elderly/disabled - if they are still with God without having read the bible or being able tophysically read it -again then, what is the point of having the bible?
Surely, (as whatI think), its the words of our mouths and of course ouractions that is 'doing' God's work more than learning from a bible?
Incidentally, somebody could, (and believe me its easily done), publish a'bible' today and claim its a new religion or even claim its an ancient one, and you will still get believers.
So how do we know which bible is telling the truth?
Let's say we won't know who is telling the truth, doesn't that prove then thenecessity to reason with each other, (without the aid of bibles)and that its that and thework that we do, that will tell who is Godly and who is not?
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"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast".
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So what about a Buddist who doesnt read the Bible. Is he/she spiritually dead as well.
What a pompous view to have. Were Africans spiritually dead before they were taken across the Atlantic and handed the Bible on arrival. Did the white man save our souls then?
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Well you have to ask the buddist. I am talking about a christain here.
Again, maybe you should go and ask the white man
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Anything conditioned in us melts away as we assume our place amongst the neteru (the gods).The forces that govern our birth & death are at our disposal whilst we are alive.So be it.
Let's not waste energy on "futilism" & "anihilism" and emerge from the core and speak our minds on all fronts and manifest our Godliness.
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