SORRY, NO REFERENCES TO A"TRINITY".




3: The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his name EXODUS 15
6 Thy right hand, O LORD, glorious in power, thy right hand, O LORD, shatters the enemy.
EXODUS 15

11: And he did not lay his hand on the chief men of the people of Israel; they beheld God, and ate and drank.

EXODUS 24

8: And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

GENESIS 3

5: And the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the door of the tent, and called Aaron and Miriam; and they both came forward.
6: And he said, "Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision, I speak with him in a dream.
7: Not so with my servant Moses; he is entrusted with all my house.
8: With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in dark speech; and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?"

NUMBERS 12

8: How can I give you up, O E'phraim! How can I hand you over, O Israel! How can I make you like Admah! How can I treat you like Zeboi'im! My heart recoils within me, my compassion grows warm and tender.

HOSEA 11

In my opinion, Ex. 15:3 MAY BE USED AS "PROOF" THAT GOD IS A MAN. (I WOULD NOT USE IT THOUGH; IT CAN BE INTERPRETED EITHER WAY)
Ex. 15:3 This appears, to me, TO BE Non-Anthropomorpic.

Ex11. I concede, that the first portion of this verse may be non-anthropomorphic. But not the second part; How could God be "beheld" if He is only a spirit? Spirits can't be "beheld". Gen. 3:8 ...and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden....How could they hide themselves from God, if He is only a spirit? This does not make sense, to me.

Numbers 12:5-8 ...
5: And the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the door of the tent, and called Aaron and Miriam; and they both came forward.
6: And he said, "Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision, I speak with him in a dream.
7: Not so with my servant Moses; he is entrusted with all my house.
8: With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in dark speech; and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?"

These verses are VERY clear, to me. First of all, God, in verse 8, says that HE HAS A " FORM". He says that other prophets are aware of Him, by a "vision" and that He speaks to them, "in a dream". "...7: Not so with my servant Moses; he is entrusted with all my house.
8: With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in dark speech; and he beholds the form of the LORD. (am I missing something?)

Hosea 8:11 I belive this is non-anthropomorphic.

Dr. Freeman, you mentioned the following in your previous letter. It is excellent, and should apply, to us all.

Also, it is important to understand the difference between "exegesis" and "eisigesis":
Eisegesis: "I am study the Bible with my own preconceived ideas. I find certain verses to buttress what I "knew" all along." In my opinion, this is a dangerous way to go. Error and deception is around every corner. Many people use the Bible as a sort of good luck charm, only obeying the verses that they want to enjoy and using other verses to justify/rationalize their ungodly behavior.
Exegesis: "I study the Bible, using the above rules of interpretation along with other proven rules of interpretation), without preconceived notions. I let the Bible speak to me inductively. What ever emerges, I submit to it, even if I cannot wrap my finite brain around it."

In my opinon, this is the best way to study the Bible.



If you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!














Your most sincere and loyal servant
suleiman= wise abdul = servant of
Rahman = The Benificent or The Doer of Good
so, the wise servant of, The Doer of Good
"Pluto sits out there, but still just a touch of the Sun moves her."

In the old testament theirare references to theHoly Spirit. Many times the prophets talk about God sending his Spirit and being in the spirit.

Genesis 1:2

[suP]2[/suP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And theirare references to Jesus.

Isaiah 49:16

16[/suP]Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.



God created man inhis own image true. But we are not Gods.

God created man inhis own image true. But we are not Gods.
"

We are all "gods" in thesense that we conrol our own lives.

This is NOT to say we are the "Supreme Being".

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods' ?

And theirare references to Jesus.

Isaiah 49:16

16[/suP]Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.

*verse 16 refers to "Zion" not Jesus(pbuh)...





14[/suP] But Zion said, "The LORD has forsaken me,
the Lord has forgotten me."

15[/suP] "Can a mother forget the baby at her breast
and have no compassion on the child she has borne?
Though she may forget,
I will not forget you!
16[/suP] See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands;
your walls are ever before me.
17[/suP] Your sons hasten back,
and those who laid you waste depart from you.
18[/suP] Lift up your eyes and look around;
all your sons gather and come to you.
As surely as I live," declares the LORD,
"you will wear them all as ornaments;
you will put them on, like a bride.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods' ?

Are youstating Jesus(pbuh) is not contributed w/speaking the truth?

From: solomon abdul-Rahman solomon_abdulrahman@yahoo.com
Subject: I believe Isa(pbuh) has made things VERY clear,








yet, theinterpretation of others,make him out to be a liar.

"He was really saying..."or "what he really meant was..." This is what some attempt tosay. It is as if they believethat, Isa(pbuh)can not speak for himself...


[27] They did not understand that he spoke to them of the Father.
[28] So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you
will know that I am he,*** and that I do nothing on my own authority
but speak thus as the Father taught me.***
[29] And he who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I
always do what is pleasing to him."
JOHN 8




[27] Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you; not as the world
gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let
them be afraid.
[28] You heard me say to you, `I go away, and I will come to you.' If
you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father;
***for the Father is greater than I.***
[29] And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it
does take place, you may believe.
JOHN 14




[17] And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt
before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit
eternal life?"

[18] And Jesus said to him, ***"Why do you call me good? No one is
good but God alone.***
[19] You know the commandments: `Do not kill, Do not commit adultery,
Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your
father and mother.'"
MARK 10


[28] Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are
in the tombs will hear ***his*** voice
[29] and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of
life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.
[30]***"I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge; and
my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of
him who sent me.***
JOHN 5

God created man inhis own image true. But we are not Gods.
"

Jesus said, have I not said "ye are gods" tally this up with what Apostle Paul teaches, "Beloved NOW are you the son's of God, and it does not yet appear what you shall be.



Divinity is entombed in every man waiting to break out. Just has Christ was hid in God waiting for the day that he would be revealed as the saviour to mankind. The God of the old testament is human, your not far wrong, I could say of you now albeit you are in flesh, that you are a god.

We are all "gods" in thesense that we conrol our own lives.

that is not what makes you a god according to the scripture ? in the Psalms God was telling Israel, that because they had recieved his law and his precepts, this made them children of the most high. Prior to that verse he speaks that men walk about in darkness following their own course. Yet God still in telling them they are god's goes on to tell them but they shall die like men and fall as Princes.

This is NOT to say we are the "Supreme Being".

That is right , they are children of the Supreme being, which makes them god's because the supreme being is GOD.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said you are gods' ?

Yes, but have you noticed what Jesus did whilst showing them the passage of scripture he himself distanced himself from the scripture. He was showing that it applied to them, but not to him. In the psalms 82it writes:

6. [/suP]I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

However when Jesus reminds them, in the passge of John it says:

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said you are gods' ?

Jesus distanced himself in that he is telling them I said you are gods, which means he is telling them he told them, which must then make him God.

What you have to understand, Jesus spoke out of his dual nature, so at times, he would speak out of his divine nature, and that divine nature stands alone by itself the All sufficent, self existant God of all....

ain't he beautiful ?

"Jesus distanced himself in that he is telling them I said you are he told them, which must then make him God."

THAT ISMERELYYOUR INTERPRETATION BECAUSE, IT DOES NOT SAY THAT.