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20-06-05, 10:59 AM
Does Allah love black people and white people the same or does he favor black people more?
Because i don't follow islam does that mean that their is no hope for me and that God doesn't love me and that i am condemned?
Love one another how God has loved you.
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20-06-05, 01:44 PM
Well if everything is Allah's will then clearly he loves White people more right?
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20-06-05, 06:01 PM
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Allah love those who do righteous deeds and believes in their Creator, regardless of race.
Now if black people allow white folks to trick them into acting stupid and denying God...then it will be our fault if we lose God's favor.
Because i don't follow islam does that mean that their is no hope for me and that God doesn't love me and that i am condemned?
This is what Allah says in the Koran chapter 2:62
" Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the
Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day
and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is
no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."
As long as you believe in God and do what you know is right, then you will get your reward and will be in God's favor.
Because the steel is black...the attitude is exact. - Public Enemy
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22-06-05, 08:02 AM
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Does Allah love black people and white people the same or does he favor black people more?
Because i don't follow islam does that mean that their is no hope for me and that God doesn't love me and that i am condemned?
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Mike, if you are condemned, it won't be because of the color of your skin. It will be because of your refusal to accept and obey Divine Guidance.
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If Allah (God) raised up a Black Man as a Guide for you, could you accept his Guidance?
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23-06-05, 07:39 AM
The reason why i started this thread was because the way people can fall in the trap of putting our own oppinions before the Bible or Qu'ran. By the things i've read on other threads, its hard to see that the answers to these questions are true.
As a young black man myself i see and hear of black men following Islam. A few follow because of colour about black pride and the fight against the WHITE MAN.Some people won't follow christianity because they see it as a white mans religion. But as we know God loves usall no matter what colour orwho we areand if we follow or lead people to a certain path on the basis of colour then what are we doing?
I see that alot of people won't follow the Bible because of what others in the past or present or will do in the future.But if you read the Bible for yourself than you will seewhat God say's about these peolple cause we will allbe judged.
We should all search for thetruth and walk in righteousness and submit ourselves to Gods will. And a big part of Gods willis for usto love as he loves irrespective of what race orreligion we come from or what we do or say. Even though somebody may say something about your religion it is only for you to correct and lead them to the truththey have to make their own decision. you can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
It is easy to fall into this trap, i have done this on many occasions and i see it happen alot. Even though people may twist and turn your words leave it in the hands of God.
Love one another how God has loved you.
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23-06-05, 08:06 PM
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As a young black man myself i see and hear of black men following Islam. A few follow because of colour about black pride and the fight against the WHITE MAN.Some people won't follow christianity because they see it as a white mans religion. But as we know God loves us all no matter what colour or who we are and if we follow or lead people to a certain path on the basis of colour then what are we doing?
I see that alot of people won't follow the Bible because of what others in the past or present or will do in the future. But if you read the Bible for yourself than you will see what God say's about these peolple cause we will all be judged.
I can't speak for other Muslims but actually I left Christianity BECAUSE OF what I read in the Bible.
I had been a die-hard Christian for years only reading bits and pieces and certain isolated passages out of the Bible as most Christians do; but when I finally sat down and decided to read the entire book from cover to cover....that's when I left Christianity and haven't looked back.
I floated around studying other religions for a while, and finally settled into Islam after reading the entire Koran.
One thing you have to realize about Muslims is that a large percentage of us know the Koran and have read the entire book so we have a proper grasp of our religion and what our scriptures teach.
Where as most Christians do not and basically follow charismatic leaders and ministers who break and divide the religion into hundreds of differnt branches depending on each one's interpretation of scripture.
But you're right, a lot of black men come into Islam out of rejection of Christianity and white culture.
Am I my brother\'s keeper?
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23-06-05, 08:06 PM
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As a young black man myself i see and hear of black men following Islam. A few follow because of colour about black pride and the fight against the WHITE MAN.Some people won't follow christianity because they see it as a white mans religion. But as we know God loves us all no matter what colour or who we are and if we follow or lead people to a certain path on the basis of colour then what are we doing?
I see that alot of people won't follow the Bible because of what others in the past or present or will do in the future. But if you read the Bible for yourself than you will see what God say's about these peolple cause we will all be judged.
I can't speak for other Muslims but actually I left Christianity BECAUSE OF what I read in the Bible.
I had been a die-hard Christian for years only reading bits and pieces and certain isolated passages out of the Bible as most Christians do; but when I finally sat down and decided to read the entire book from cover to cover....that's when I left Christianity and haven't looked back.
I floated around studying other religions for a while, and finally settled into Islam after reading the entire Koran.
One thing you have to realize about Muslims is that a large percentage of us know the Koran and have read the entire book so we have a proper grasp of our religion and what our scriptures teach.
Where as most Christians do not and basically follow charismatic leaders and ministers who break and divide the religion into hundreds of differnt branches depending on each one's interpretation of scripture.
But you're right, a lot of black men come into Islam out of rejection of Christianity and white culture.
Am I my brother\'s keeper?
YES I AM
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23-06-05, 08:42 PM
Many people can read the Bible from front to back and miss and interpret alot of things. their are manychurches that have branched out based on one scriture but the bible tells me to search here and their, line upon line precept upon precept. Then i will get a better bigger more 3d understanding of whatGod is telling me and what Gods will is.
Do you think it's right for people to follow a religion based on whatcolour they are?
Cause at the end of the day God see that and he knows your heart.
Love one another how God has loved you.
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23-06-05, 10:41 PM
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Do you think it's right for people to follow a religion based on what colour they are?
It depends on the religion.
More specifically, what it teaches.
If your religion is based upon race or racism like Vedic Hinduism originally was, Nation of Islam, World of the Creator, or Christian Conservative Party...then race is an integral part of your faith.
Personally, I don't think a person's race determines their righteousness and I wouldn't be a part of a RELIGION that bases it's idealogy souly around race.
I may join a political group that empowers black people, but not a religon.
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03-07-05, 12:38 AM
Mike..
I think you may be mistaking Islam with 'nation of islam', which is a totally different religion (possibly a cult).
I have muslim brothers of all colours, racesand nationalities.
Islam recognises all people as equal, regardless of colour. Islam does not discriminate based on colour. If you have come across muslims that do so (and there are some), then take note that they are wrong, and no pious muslim person, scholar or leader would support this. go to an islamic mosque and you will see muslims of all colours praying together, side by side. The same you will see if you go to mecca.
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05-07-05, 07:26 PM
"If your religion is based upon race or racism like Vedic Hinduism originally was, Nation of Islam, World of the Creator, or Christian Conservative Party...then race is an integral part of your faith. "
This is VERY mis-leading...
The Nation of Islam does NOT practise racism. It's message is explicitly to warn the Blacks of America...
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YUSUFALI: To every people (was sent) a messenger: when their messenger comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.
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YUSUFALI: For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).
Blacks have been in the U. S. for over 400 years. The Caucasians have taught
many people, of the world, Blacks were little better than mere animals. (many
Arabs and Muslims were taught this)
Unfortunately, many believed this to be true. I view it as my responsibility to
spread the truth, not "supremacy".
ON BLACK SUPREMACY
Allah has revealed that the black is the original Man, and that's what I teach.
Now, where this supremacy teaching comes in that is charged by the disbelievers
-- that I teach it in order to suit their particular purpose of charging us with
being an aggressive movement, or intending to become such, because of the
teachings of one being superior over the other.
24 We say that the black man is the first man in the sun, and then they take
this and just change it around -- that he is teaching supremacy. And that we are
not doing. We already know that we are inferior to you here in America.
25 We cannot say physically or even mentally that we are equal, nor say you're
superior, when it comes to actual physical or educational ability.
Mr. Elijah Muhammad()
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05-07-05, 08:35 PM
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This is VERY mis-leading...
The Nation of Islam does NOT practise racism. It's message is explicitly to warn the Blacks of America...
My statement isnt' in the least bit misleading.
You teach that white men are devils, do you not?
You teach that blacks are righteous gods, and whites are devils.
Whether or not it's true or false, it's based upon race...is it not?
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