[Omaar]

I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of the amount of anti-Islamic rhetoric circulating around the black community now-a-days. Especially along with the promotion of so much "abstract" spirituality.

I'm also suspicious of the timing of this rhetoric and why it just happens to coincide with this so-called war on terror that whites are waging against Islam.


But on with the subject.......




Let us be honest about the REAL reason why so many of our people in black America are rejecting "organized" religion.

They aren't rejecting Christianity, Islam, and other religions because they actually studied the history and doctrine of these religions and came to an educated conclusion that these religions are false and/or based on shakey foundation.....


Most of our people who reject organized religion do so because they don't want to be held accountable to clear standards and rules.

The fact that so many call it "organized" with disdainment speaks volumes.

If you're against ORGANIZATION, then you must be for chaos and confusion.

Africans aren't rejecting organized religion nor are they calling it "white man's handi-work". Infact, regardless as to the historical reasons for it....there are more Christians and Muslims in Africa than there are in Europe and they aren't planning on changing anytime soon.


The fact is most of our people in Americadon't want to be told what to do, or held to a standard. So when they run around making babies, smoking dope, going in and out of jail, and neglect thier moral responsibilities....if you question them or tell them it's wrong they can easily say:

"Not in my book".

"My religion is SPIRITUALITY where any and everything is allowed and only God can judge me!."

[ChubbiChix]

I don't think black people have problems dealing with standards and rules, its just that you will not respect rules you dont understand or hadno say so in creating. If blacks had more say so in creating these standards and rules, they will be more likely to follow them. Organized religion could be a tool to get black people back on track but its not the best or the only solution. As long as were organized regardless to religion because we can have our differencesand still work together.

Some people get real ignorant with the "not in my book" stuff but i respect some of it because it shows that adleast their thinking rather then just accepting the same old garbage handed to us.

[ChubbiChix]

I been seeing anti- islamic stuff in the black community for years but it was more anti-nation of islam. i do see some extra anti-islamic stuff mixed with american patriotism today. I heard a white man on channel 9 (UPN) say Muslims were "godless terrorists and should reject Islam for christanity". The nerve of this man saying that when christians have caused more bloodshed and chaos then any religion on earth.

[TehOwnage]

So the people in these organised religions have lests say transcended beyond the dope and teenage pregnancies into a place (religion) where they are above it? In my opinion the people in these religions are just as bad as anyone else. Go to any black church and what do you see. I see so many fakes its redicolous, i see teenagers my age all holy in church, and once church is done their blowing some guys d!ck. I see women on their knees praying and worshipping only after church is done to be gossipping about some person.

You find all those points in all churches or organised religion.

[Omaar]

Chubbi

I don't think black people as a whole are against religion or rules.
Black peopleare probably the most religious people on this planet.

I'm speaking more specifically of AfroAmericans.

Too many of us are undisciplined and want to live beyond the law and constantly make excuses in order to do it.

This is the primary reason our community is in shambles today.




TehOwnage

No doubt there are plenty of hypocrites and sinners in organized religion as well.

However we shouldn't blame the instructions just because people choose to ignore them.

Rather we should blame the people for continuing in their foolishness after divine guidance has been given to them.

Remember that most Christians in our community don't even read the Bible, they listen to other men for advice.

The scriptures clearly state that murder is wrong, adultery is wrong, theft is wrong, and taking interest is wrong.

Now THAT is clear.

So when you see all this madness going on in our community you can't blame the scritpure, we should blame the hypocrites who ignore them.

[Shariff]

Perhaps people are dismissive of organized religions because they have the power to change the world, eliminate exploitation, poverty, and injustice, and won't do it.

All three major religions have that power, politically and financially. For as long as they have existed, conditions have remained the same or gotten worse. The same people preaching morality support war and death, and turn a blind eye to injustice and poverty.

Whatever else one may think about African-Americans, they're not fools. They see right through the hypocrisy.


"You cyant blame de yout. You cyant fool de yout."-PETER TOSH

[Omaar]

Shariff

Perhaps people are dismissive of organized religions because they have the power to change the world, eliminate exploitation, poverty, and injustice, and won't do it.

All three major religions have that power, politically and financially. For as long as they have existed, conditions have remained the same or gotten worse. The same people preaching morality support war and death, and turn a blind eye to injustice and poverty.

Whatever else one may think about African-Americans, they're not fools. They see right through the hypocrisy.


All the points you dropped were good but just remember that both organized Islam as well as Christianity changed much of the known world in it's zealous infancy.

Both religions were responsible for spawning some of the greatest and longest lasting empires in recent history from Chistendom that occupied much of Europe to the Moorish Empire spanning across 2 continents and several centuries.


Just because the majority of the people are asleep in the world today....spiritually speaking...doesn't mean that it's the fault of those particularreligions.

Buddhism and Communism as well as Hinduism (which are also major religions) exist in the same corrupting world Christianity and Islam exists in and aren't doing much in the way of uplifting humanity.


Perhaps fundamentalism is the key.....

Maybe if people who professed these religions stopped trying to conform to Western social and religious ideals and went back to the basic tenents of their beliefs and the doctrine of their scripture.....we'd see a real revolution for the better.

One thing we can agree on is most things seem to be fake or a "front" now a days....nothing seems to be genuine anymore.

[Bredder Tukoma]

BlackMatta wrote:

"If you are not evil by action, you are evil by default".

BlackMatta.

Indeed.. this born a sinner concept is bollocks. How can a baby bea sinner?

Omaar

The knowledge systems we practiced since millenia/ while not promoting a militaristic bent to our societies at least cultivated the poeple to a degree that many of the so called Christian or Islamists that encountred African populations to spread the word would find that their own societies displayed far more lessChristian values and brotherhood that any trip through contemporary Europe or the Arab world.. Traditional African societies were almost devoid of crime.

Why is this?

On a separate note:

In my neck of the woods I see Black peoplerejectingoraganised religionfor Nuwabian beliefs .. is it the same in the US.

[blaze]

BlackMatta wrote:

Religious people need drug abusers.

They rely on adulterers.

They gain moral strength from thieves and murderers.

Where there are rapists and philanderers they will congregate in force.

Because it is only against such a backdrop that their message sounds strong.

Theyloveevil. It makes them look good.

Without it they are lost. Nowhere else to turn the spotlight but themselves and their grim reality that they attempt to romanticise.

Andwhen they are confronted with the non-religious who do not take drugs, and do not womanise, and do not stealor rape, they haveno message.

Neither can they ask themselves why or how these people do not take drugs, and do not womanise, and do not stealor rape.

They hate these people. They hatethem for renderingimpotent theparaphernalia of self-deception.

So theyclaim theirtruth isbeyondmortal experience so that it is beyondmortal question.Otherwisemortal experience will destroy their truth.

"These are the evils that validate our truth"

"But the truth is not ours to know".

i.e

"If you are not evil by action, you are evil by default".

BlackMatta.

It's not about people being religious. It's not about looking good.Not from a Christian point of view anyway. For exampleJesus told his followers not to be like the pharisees who prayed in full view of everyone justto show off their piety.Religious people don't need evil people. And what makes a personreligious? What makes an evilperson?Christianity holds the view that, 'no one is righteous, not even one, there is no one who understands,no one who seeks after God.' (Romans 3:10-11)We are all evil, simple as that.

Christianity is about God, not mankind. We are here because God wants it like that. To have a relationship with God means we have must live on his terms (through Jesus Christ but that's another story)so that we can have life to the full. Christians (if that is what you mean by religious people) do not need drug abusers and womanisers and if everyone followed God there would be no drug abusers and so on and so forth. In fact that is the ideal world. So why would "religious people" need all these types of people?

Without God we are lost. "Religious people" love God and are willing to tell others about God's love, not in order to look good but because God requires it and loves the "non-religious people".

[blaze]

BlackMatta wrote:

@blaze

How do you know what god wants? Are you god?

No, do I sound like Him? Did I write, 'I am God who says this...' ? The Bible tells us what God wants but i ain't going into a conversation about whether the Bible is true or a load of bollocks. Obviously it is not a load of crap, history tells us that.

You still haven't answered my question on what a religious person is and what an evil person is.

[Sit al-Banal]

BlackMatta wrote:

Religious people need drug abusers.

They rely on adulterers.

They gain moral strength from thieves and murderers.

Where there are rapists and philanderers they will congregate in force.

Because it is only against such a backdrop that their message sounds strong.

Theyloveevil. It makes them look good.

Without it they are lost. Nowhere else to turn the spotlight but themselves and their grim reality that they attempt to romanticise.

Andwhen they are confronted with the non-religious who do not take drugs, and do not womanise, and do not stealor rape, they haveno message.

Neither can they ask themselves why or how these people do not take drugs, and do not womanise, and do not stealor rape.

They hate these people. They hatethem for renderingimpotent theparaphernalia of self-deception.

So theyclaim theirtruth isbeyondmortal experience so that it is beyondmortal question.Otherwisemortal experience will destroy their truth.

"These are the evils that validate our truth"

"But the truth is not ours to know".

i.e

"If you are not evil by action, you are evil by default".

BlackMatta.

BlackMatta, I wish I had writen that....