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09-07-05, 12:18 AM
the Qu'ran states Prophet Muhammad(pBuh) was the LAST PROPHET not MESSENGER...
IF YOU BELIEVE THIS IS INCORRECT, PLEASE, PRESENT EVIDENCE, AS PROOF.
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09-07-05, 12:27 AM
It DOES explicitly "state" he was the last prophet.
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09-07-05, 12:31 AM
Just as nation of islam litriture does explicitly state that wd fard was a prophet, even though the qur'an had alreAdy stated that the LAST prophet had already come, as you stated above.
I refer to answer to question 39 of lost found muslim lesson number 2
http://www.thenationofislam.org/muslimlessontwo.html
Strange that isnt it?
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Just as nation of islam litriture does explicitly state that wd fard was a prophet, even though the qur'an had alreAdy stated that the LAST prophet had already come, as you stated above.
I refer to answer to question 39 of lost found muslim lesson number 2
http://www.thenationofislam.org/muslimlessontwo.html
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NOT REALLY, WHEN YOU REALISE THESE QUESTIONS WERE ASKED OF MR. MUHAMMAD SOON AFTER JOINING W/MASTER FARD.
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IN SUBSEQUENT LITERATURE,PLEASE, NOTICE, MR. MUHAMMAD REFERS TO MR. FARD AS ALLAH IN THE PERSON OF...
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09-07-05, 01:02 AM
the Qu'ran states Prophet Muhammad(pBuh) was the LAST PROPHET not MESSENGER...
IF YOU BELIEVE THIS IS INCORRECT, PLEASE, PRESENT EVIDENCE, AS PROOF.
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09-07-05, 01:38 AM
It seems it was elijah muhammad that was "INCORRECT".
First he thought WD Fard was a prophet... then he thought he was Allah!
where was his evidence, where was his proof?
He obviously thought he was wrong first time round?
http://www.thenationofislam.org/muslimlessontwo.html
What next??
Oh Yeah....
Check out the answer to question one...... now he is "people" too???
Seems he wasnt sure who Allah is?
Nor are Nation of Islam either???
http://www.thenationofislam.org/birthrightquestion.html
check out pooint 1???
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09-07-05, 01:42 AM
In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful
Prophet Muhammad's (saws) Last Sermon
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[This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul-Hijjah 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat' in Mecca.]
After praising and thanking Allah the Prophet (saws) said:
"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.
O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that he will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligations shall henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib [the Prophet's uncle] be waived.
Every right arising out of homicide in pre-islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that i waive is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al Harithibn.
O People, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calender in order to make permissible that which Allah forbade, and to forbid that which Allah has made permissible. With Allah the months are twelve in number. Four of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Shaban.
Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belogs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."
...and yes, i'll choose this over your words of nation of islam anyday which dont even come close to weak hadiths.
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09-07-05, 01:44 AM
Maybe this will be a bit more meatier for you!
3:144. Muhammad is no more than an apostle:
Does this mean he is not a prophet?... no it does not, as prophet and messenger are interchangeble concepts in the Qur'an. A messenger IS a prophet, therefore a Messenger CAN NOT come unless he is a prophet too.
33:40. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
2:213. Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guided whom He will to a path that is straight.
57:25. We sent aforetime our apostles with Clear Signs and sent down with them the Book and the Balance (of Right and Wrong), that men may stand forth in justice; and We sent down Iron, in which is (material for) mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help, Unseen, Him and His apostles: For Allah is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might (and able to enforce His Will).
2:136. Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
2:177. It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah.fearing.
285. The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
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09-07-05, 02:02 AM
but either way....
This says it all:
O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.
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09-07-05, 04:00 AM
as prophet and messenger are interchangeble concepts in the Qur'an.
Mr. Muhammad(pbuh) claimed to be a "messenger" not a "prophet. "Orthodox" Muslims believe they are the same. Proof, they are not...
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YUSUFALI: Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
PICKTHAL: Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
SHAKIR: And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise,
Now, I have read verses in the Qur'an that mention one in place of the other but, why would they both be in the same verse, by 3 different translators if, they have the same meaning?
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God's Definition of
PROPHET and MESSENGER
(Nabi and Rasoul)
In 3:81 God described exactly the function of the Prophet (Nabi) and the function of the Messenger (Rasoul). Both definitions come in the middle of a very important verse that is dealing with the Messenger of the Covenant. For the sincere believer both definitions are clear and well described by the Teacher of the Quran, the Most Gracious.
"God took a covenant from the PROPHETS, saying, "I will give you the SCRIPTURE AND WISDOM. Afterwards, a MESSENGER will come to CONFIRM all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you." 3:81
Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall translated 3:81 as follows:
"When Allah made (His) covenant with the PROPHETS, (He said): Behold that which I have GIVEN you of the SCRIPTURE AND KNOWLEDGE. And afterward there will come unto you a MESSENGER, CONFIRMING that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you)in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear witness. I will be a witness with you."
Verse 3:81, among many other verses, provides the definitions of "Nabi" (Prophet) and "Rasoul" (Messenger). Thus, "Nabi" is a messenger of God who delivers a new scripture, while "Rasoul" is a messenger commissioned by God to confirm existing scripture; he does not bring a new scripture. According to the Quran, every "Nabi" is a "Rasoul," but not every "Rasoul" is a "Nabi"."It is not logical that God will give a scripture to a prophet, then ask him to keep it exclusively for himself, as stated by some Muslim "scholars" (2:42, 146, 159).
The Quranic definition of Prophet, and how all the prophets were given Scripture
to deliver, is also confirmed in the following verse:
"The people used to be one community when God sent THE PROPHETS as bearers of good news, as well as warners. HE SENT DOWN WITH THEM THE SCRIPTURE, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes" 2:213
http://www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html
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O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me
is MESSENGER MENTIONED?
NO!
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Do you not own a dictionary?
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
apostle
1. a. (As in Gr.) One sent on an errand, a messenger. (A verbalism of translation.) Obs.
c950 Lindisf. Gosp. John xiii. 16 Nis esne mara drihtne his ne {aeacu}c apostol [Ags. & Hatton, ærendracca, arendrake] mara {edh}æm se{edh}e sendes hine. c1382 WYCLIF ibid., Neither apostle is more than he that sente him. 1582 Rhem. ibid., Neither is an apostle [1611 he that is sent] greater then he that sent him. {emem} Phil. ii. 25 Epaphroditus..your Apostle [so WYCLIF and TINDALE; 1611 messenger].
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