"UNSEEN" does not meen "can't be seen"...

SOLOMON · (#1 (**permalink**))

Quick definitions (unseen)

[*]adjective: not seen or perceived (Example: "Unseen natural resources") [*]adjective: not observed

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There is no mystery god. YOU are the god!

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SOLOMON · (#2 (**permalink**))

"Un-seen" does NOT mean "un-able to be seen".

Think about it.

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YUSUFALI: This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).

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SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient,guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Allah doth but make a trial of you in a little matter of game well within reach of game well within reach of your hands and your lances, that He may test who feareth him unseen :any who transgress thereafter, will have a grievous penalty.

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YUSUFALI: One day will Allah gather the messengers together, and ask: "What was the response ye received (from men to your teaching)?" They will say: "We have no knowledge: it is Thou Who knowest in full all that is hidden."

PICKTHAL: In the day when Allah gathereth together the messengers, and saith: What was your response (from mankind)? they say: We have no knowledge. Lo! Thou, only Thou art the Knower of Things Hidden,

SHAKIR: On the day when Allah will assemble the messengers, then say: What answer were you given? They shall say: We have no knowledge,surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.

==================suleiman = wise abdul = slave of
Rahman = The Benificent or The Doer of Good
so, the wise slave of, The Doer of Good
"Pluto sits out there, but still just a touch of the Sun moves her."
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SOLOMON · (#3 (**permalink**))

DO NOT SO-CALLED "ORTHODODOX" MUSLIMS REFER TO GOD AS "UNSEEN"?

DO THEY NOT ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE WORD'S MEANING?

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SOLOMON · (#4 (**permalink**))

EVEN IN THE FOLLOWING, "INVISIBLE" DOES NOT MEAN "UNABLE TO SEE"!

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YUSUFALI: Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: He is Allah, than Whom there is no other Allah, the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible. He is the Beneficent, Merciful.

SHAKIR: He is Allah besides Whom there is no god; the Knower of the unseen and the seen; He is the Beneficent, the Merciful

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if you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!

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Omaar · (#5 (**permalink**))

Sometimes the "unseen" refers to the unknown future.

But oftentimes it does mean "invisible".

jaziasha · (#6 (**permalink**))

I think that Unseen is a word that we all sometimes misunderstand or interpret. When saying Unseen it most often refers to a persons level of sight or our preperation before being exposed to something supposedly "unseen" or unable to be seen. Sometimes unseenmay mean merlyunrecognized. You can see things all the time and then be learned of a thing and then your eyes will be really open to what you see.

Shalom.

SOLOMON · (#7 (**permalink**))

Omaar wrote:

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But oftentimes it does mean "invisible".

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LIKE THESE EXAMPLES?...

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YUSUFALI: With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).

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PICKTHAL: And with Him are the keys of the Invisible. None but He knoweth them. And He knoweth what is in the land and the sea. Not a leaf falleth but He knoweth it, not a grain amid the darkness of the earth, naught of wet or dry but (it is noted) in a clear record.

SHAKIR: And with Him are the keys of the unseen treasures-- none knows them but He; and He knows what is in the land and the sea, and there falls not a leaf but He knows it, nor a grain in the darkness of the earth, nor anything green nor dry but (it is all) in a clear book.

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YUSUFALI: It is He who created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): the day He saith, "Be," behold! it is. His word is the truth. His will be the dominion the day the trumpet will be blown. He knoweth the unseen as well as that which is open. For He is the Wise, well acquainted (with all things).

PICKTHAL: He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in truth. In the day when He saith: Be! it is. His Word is the Truth, and His will be the Sovereignty on the day when the trumpet is blown. Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, He is the Wise, the Aware.

SHAKIR: And He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth with truth, and on the day He says: Be, it is. His word is the truth, and His is the kingdom on the day when the trumpet shall be blown; the Knower of the unseen and the seen; and He is the Wise, the Aware.

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YUSUFALI: They will present their excuses to you when ye return to them. Say thou: "Present no excuses: we shall not believe you: Allah hath already informed us of the true state of matters concerning you: It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe: in the end will ye be brought back to Him Who knoweth what is hidden and what is open: then will He show you the truth of all that ye did."

PICKTHAL: They will make excuse to you (Muslims) when ye return unto them. Say: Make no excuse, for we shall not believe you. Allah hath told us tidings of you. Allah and His messenger will see your conduct, and then ye will be brought back unto Him Who knoweth the Invisible as well as the Visible, and He will tell you what ye used to do.

SHAKIR: They will excuse themselves to you when you go back to them. Say: Urge no excuse, by no means will we believe you; indeed Allah has informed us of matters relating to you; and now Allah and His Messenger will see your doings, then you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did.

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YUSUFALI: To Allah do belong the unseen (secrets) of the heavens and the earth, and to Him goeth back every affair (for decision): then worship Him, and put thy trust in Him: and thy Lord is not unmindful of aught that ye do.

PICKTHAL: And Allah's is the Invisible of the heavens and the earth, and unto Him the whole matter will be returned. So worship Him and put thy trust in Him. Lo! thy Lord is not unaware of what ye (mortals) do.

SHAKIR: And Allah's is the unseen in the heavens and the earth, and to Him is returned the whole of the affair; therefore serve Him and rely on Him, and your Lord is not heedless of what you do.

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YUSUFALI: Such is He, the Knower of all things, hidden and open, the Exalted (in power), the Merciful;-

PICKTHAL: Such is the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, the Mighty, the Merciful,

SHAKIR: This is the Knower of the unseen and the seen, the Mighty the Merciful,

in these versesfrom, the Qur'an, "invisible" does NOT imply, that which can not be seen.

SOLOMON · (#8 (**permalink**))

jaziasha wrote:

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I think that Unseen is a word that we all sometimes misunderstand or interpret. When saying Unseen it most often refers to a persons level of sight or our preperation before being exposed to something supposedly "unseen" or unable to be seen. Sometimes unseenmay mean merlyunrecognized. You can see things all the time and then be learned of a thing and then your eyes will be really open to what you see.

Shalom.

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Salaam,

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This is plausible but, we are discussing the word as used in the Qur'an.

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jaziasha · (#9 (**permalink**))

SOLOMON wrote:

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jaziasha wrote:

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I think that Unseen is a word that we all sometimes misunderstand or interpret. When saying Unseen it most often refers to a persons level of sight or our preperation before being exposed to something supposedly "unseen" or unable to be seen. Sometimes unseenmay mean merlyunrecognized. You can see things all the time and then be learned of a thing and then your eyes will be really open to what you see.

Shalom.

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Salaam,

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This is plausible but, we are discussing the word as used in the Qur'an.

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It is used the same in the Qur'an as it is used in the bible or vise versa. Did not one book derive from the other.

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SOLOMON · (#10 (**permalink**))

SALAAM,

AFTER CAREFULLY RE-READING,IAM IN AGREEMENT.

jaziasha wrote:

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I think that Unseen is a word that we all sometimes misunderstand or interpret. When saying Unseen it most often refers to a persons level of sight or our preperation before being exposed to something supposedly "unseen" or unable to be seen. Sometimes unseenmay mean merlyunrecognized. You can see things all the time and then be learned of a thing and then your eyes will be really open to what you see.

Shalom.

Omaar · (#11 (**permalink**))

Solomon

in these verses from, the Qur'an, "invisible" does NOT imply, that which can not be seen.

What?

The very DEFINITION of invisible means you can't see it or it's "unseen".

Visible means you can see it, invisible means you can't.

SOLOMON · (#12 (**permalink**))

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