Black Matta

What is YOUR religion?

Black Matta

So we meet again...

I understand a person having no religion.

I'm having a problem understanding this statement:

"Once that is understood, the whole context of acceptance of each others' relative understanding becomes far more manageable."

Are you saying that people who condemn certain aspects of other religions simply don't understand them and our condemnation is based upon ignorance?

Black Matta

Let them condemn away by all means, whatever that may mean to them.

I was just agreeing that we learn continuously and in different ways based on our various experiences. Understanding that means, when discussing, we are more likely to advertise our perspectives than try to dictate them to others.

What's up with all this double talk?

I don't have a PHd...speak PLAINLY and legibly where us common folk can understand.



Timeline

Perfect.

blkdevillolRaise up off his nuts.

@Omaar the only way i can think of to answer your original question which this thread has seemingly ignored is to say this

i believe that as judaism christianity and islam have or share core roots. if we view ourselves as spirits and not just flesh understanding why is simple. it is when we are in tune with our spirit we are able to get close to God the creator of all....God's spirit is holy and pure and is of good character. whereby other spirits lay in wake wanting to conquer us. my friends mum goes to mediums once a year or so. she swears by them. i dont. In india mediums etc can be common.but an indian friend said its all trickery. by using your spirit you can see further than the flesh can. not sure if you follow

basically these spirits people sought often people assumed were good but were not and led to many evil things happening. its a question of good and bad

Timeline

Sure I will Omaar....as soon as you raise off Allah's nuts.

Uhh...YOU GO FIRST!




Lady Day

i believe that as judaism christianity and islam have or share core roots. if we view ourselves as spirits and not just flesh understanding why is simple. it is when we are in tune with our spirit we are able to get close to God the creator of all....God's spirit is holy and pure and is of good character. whereby other spirits lay in wake wanting to conquer us. my friends mum goes to mediums once a year or so. she swears by them. i dont. In india mediums etc can be common.but an indian friend said its all trickery. by using your spirit you can see further than the flesh can. not sure if you follow

Oh yes I understand.

The way it was explained to me was that these Jinn or evil spirits that many people consort aren't really able to see into the future, they just have a more panoramic view of the entire planet and can see things in their entirety more so than us humans of limited vision.

Much like standing on top of a building at an intersection and witnessing 2 cars from opposite sides of the corner about to crash into eachother.

If you could call one of them up on the celly and warn them in time, then you could prevent the accident.

Fortune telling works on the same principle because this access to more knowledge gives these spirits a better ability to caculate events and "predict" the future, but they can never actually KNOW the future.



its a question of good and bad

Egggg-zactly!

It's the moral aspect that we must look at.

God orders us to worship Him and Him only, and that transescends race andculture.

TL


I just think you are missing a very important point when you condemn ancient religion. It would be so easy if we could label practices "good" and "evil" "right" and "wrong" and indeed that is the easy way out. How simple it is to judge all religious practices according to the religious practices you have accepted from your PARTICULAR time period and cultural context. Unfortunately culture and religion are not fixed entities and the popularity of different religions increase and decrease with time and propaganda. You represent a certain period in time with certain rules and regulations and one day the things you value in your religion will be judged as "evil" and "backwards" and "silly" and you won't be able to prove otherwise

It's not so much that I'm condemning ancient religion. Personally, I'min no position to approve of or condemn them anyway.

I'm just bringing into question certain practices WITHIN these religions that I find disturbing and POSSIBLY worthy of condemnation.

There are certain things practiced by some Muslims that I find disturbing also like honor killing and eating with their hands, superstitious ideology.....
The same goesfor Christianity and Hinduism.

We must be analytical.

When you seek the aid of disembodied spirits to do harm to other people, or worship them and sacrifice to them believing them to be gods or ancestral spirits; I think those practices are quite disturbing and should be called into question.

Especially when we are commanded to worship and adore our Creator only.


As far as MY beliefs being one day judged as silly or backwards.....

Do you really think humanity has that muchtime left?

Black Matta

Alrighty, line by line:

Let them condemn away by all means, whatever that may mean to them.
I don't understand this one.

I was just agreeing that we learn continuously and in different ways based on our various experiences.
Now this one, I DO understand and agree with.

Understanding that means, when discussing, we are more likely to advertise our perspectives than try to dictate them to others.
This one, I'm unsure of.....

Is it a suggestion that we SHOULD advertise our perspectives rather than dictate them to others; or was it just a statement of fact?






Time

I don't know Omaar...what does your book of religion tell you will happen soon?

It told me that you'd soon run me stone crazy if I let you.....


You said you didn't believe in any religion, an athiest I believe.
That means you don't see the logic behind ancestor worship and contacting spiritsanway.....so by default you should agree with us that they should be called into question.

Lady Day

yeah we seem to understand each other. the thing is these fortune tellers and mediums diviners etc. they can only do what we ourselves are able to do. anyone in tune with spirit can see ahead of the flesh however no one can see that far in the future without God. Only if God so chooses us to see beyond.

people often assume that no african ancient religion had these orders but they did.

so yeah those spirits are limited and do you no good. think some people go to these people and get asked abc then d e f is told to them,

i prayed one night asking God if it was ok or leave well alone. I couldnt sleep well that night. it was as though i wrestled with whatever. woke up and said God i hear you loud and clear.

people often forget that some Africans ancient and present have always believed in a supreme God.

Yes, God hasrevealed many things to me also, especially in my dreams.

Sometimes if you have a problem all you have to do is close your eyes, open up you book of scriptures and you'll automatically read the solution to your problem.

All we have to do is open ourselves up to the One and be perceptive.


It's true that most Africans as well as Native Americans and Asians have always believe in a Supreme God. The problem was that many of our people stopped worshipping that SupremeGod and started focusing on other deities.

Many believed that the Creator was too great and/or far off for them to relate to, so they would instead worship deities they believed were closer to them like angels, jinn, and deceased ancestors.

They looked at these deities as sort of "mediators" between them and the One God.

Much like the Catholics today may often pray to and ask for favor from saints or the virgin Mary.

But even the Old Testament said the God was "jealous" and demands that nothing else be worship but Him, that's what got many of our people in trouble.

offtopic.gifi never quite understood why catholics went to confession. why confess one sins to another sinner. when God is who they only need seek and confess to.

Black Matta

In religious terms condemnation means declaring something "wrong" or "evil". It does have a basis and a particular meaning to you which I, as a non-religious person, do not share or care about.

So if I were to condemn any type of religous practice....you couldn't or shouldn't argue in it's defense, right?



Neither. Just my opinion. My particular chosen way of thinking, not a fact.

Ahhhh...





Lady Day


i never quite understood why catholics went to confession. why confess one sins to another sinner. when God is who they only need seek and confess to.

I'm just waiting for Justavioce to step through the door any moment now.

But until he gets here....

The origins of confession are rooted in 1John 1:9--

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

Paul tells the Christians that they must also confess their sins in order to be saves.


But the origins of confessing to a priest are actually rooted in the word we call "indulge or indulgence".

The Catholic Church used to charge an Indulgence Tax to people and the amount was based upon the sin the commited. So a person would go to confession and tell the priest what they did; and the priest would charge them so much money to be "forgiven" for thier offense.

Some people...particularly the rich....started "indulging" in whatever form of sin they wanted and just pay off a certain amount to the church in an attempt to wipe thier slate clean.

This type of corruption is one of thereasons why Martin Luther organized the poor people to Protest and break away from the Catholic Church