what did I say? Read the whole scripture about the last supper sir not just part of it-- take eat, this is my body , and drink all, for this is my blood. The blood was a seal covenant between them and Jesus, who is God as the blood covenant was on all the house of the Isrealites in Eygpt during the time of their slavery, and Gods passover.

His body, broken for them--a symbol of what was to come--read on to the end of the book of Matthews--Jesus is beaten, crucified and killed, and his blood is shed for the salvation of the world.

But His mother was flesh, which made him fully man, but his Father was Jehovah God, hence making him fully God

this is the Trinity==God the Father, Yahweh, Jehovah; God the Son, Jesus, Emmanuel; and God the Holy Spirit, which after Jesus, the Son ascended to heaven(read the end of the book of Matthews or any of the gospels), he left his spirit, the Holy Ghost

Trinity means--Tri(3) Unity--a unity of the 3 in 1. read it , its all in the new testament

it is not a religion, its what God is



peace and blessings on you

why would God tell TD Jakes to change religion, that makes no sense.

Human form, is the shell the body, but the spirit is God-read the book of Matthews and the book of John, they will help you

My faith is in God whom I know! He is the author and finisher of my faith, he is my God, my savior, my king, my all in all. He is my beginning and my end, my waking up and my lying down. He is the word, He is Holy, wonderful, my judge, my comforter

I know Him and love HIm so my faith is not blind, it is eyes wide open faith--he is the invisible God, made visible in Jesus Christ my Holy Lord and God

we all have souls, the spirit is God or satan, based on whom you choose to Follow. Yahweh God is in all who accept HIM and his Son Jesus and then he gives us his HOLY SPIRIT

There is only One way and that is belief in Jesus, so TD Jakes could not be told by God, to change religions, change to what? satan? NOT!!!

read the Bible, the New Testament and you will see it.

be well

Youcan't force anybody to believe the truth.

@jaziasha- It is difficult to even give you bible text, for one i don't know my Bible as well as i should do (but i can get text if needed). But you have told me in the past that the bible has been changed as many others believe too.

I myself believe the Bible to be the truth, as Bible prophecy is coming to past and scientist are finding proof that it is true so many decide to still ignore it. If the Bible has been changed i know that God will lead me by his spirit to the truthand wiill forgiveme. Ifyou seek God with your whole heart you will find him. Do not lean on your own understanding. Somethings are there that are not to be understood until the time is right.

Though the time may not be now i hope one day you do find the truth throughthe guidence of the Holy Spirit cause you can't truly know God wihout him.

tuckerreed wrote: Exodus 15:3The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Now let us examine the Hebrew definition of the word Lord as it is used in this scripture.
Lord = 03068 strong's hwhy
Yehovah = "the existing One"

Man - 0376 strong's 'iysh
man

1. man, male

This same comment, I posted a discussion on http://www.thelawkeepers.org website and I amost got stoned for this because it goes against everything that many have come to understand but this is what the scriptures say. Note: They didn't almost stone me but many had a hard time with this concept.

For example I use the words " Shaddai" which means Most High because that is the only name that Abraham, Isaac and Yacob used. This can be proven by Exodus 6:3;

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Elyon is how you would say Almighty in Hebrew, but it is the same thing as Shaddai which is who Melchizekek was the priest of. Most High means Shaddai

14:18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
14:19And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Most High = Shaddai

Thus our Hebrew brothas and sista should not be using the name Yhwh because it is the name of a King (Egyptian king) but I will go into that at a much later date.

Yahshuah/Y'shua/IeZues is a man of greek Mythology origins and he was later added to the scriptures of the Christian church. The first scriptures of the NT/New Testament was written around 150 AD but the first bible was the Latin Valgute(sp?) It was at the councel of Nicene which this creed of making Yahshuah a part of this trinity that he was later elevated to the postion as God. People believe him to be without flaw and that is not what he taught of himself. The new testament is the most fictious writing that we have to date. The Nicene Creed of 325 AD explains the story so that is a good reference point.

Yahshuah let it be known that he wasn't god in the flesh when he said in Luke 18:18

18:18And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 18:19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one,God. that is,
The word none in verse 19 of Luke 18 tells the tape. None means no one and the world save is 'Ei me' which means except. Yahshuah was letting it be known that he was not the Most High and he was not deserving of being called good. These same scriptures can be found in Matthew 19:16-17 and Mark 10:17. This same one that people are calling God this man Yahshuah didn't preach this to the world but the Christian church leaders who came and gave a totally knew doctorine. Y'shuah said:

John 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Y'shua said I have not ascended to my Father your Father my God your God, so it is obvious that he wasn't implying that he was a deity or a god because he compared himself to us... people, human beings. He was born of a man because he referred to himself as the son of man... Yahweh and Yahshua were mean, but they were not the same man. Jesus was talking peace and to turn the other check...(he also contradicts himself alot) and Yahweh was the man of war.. to different people to say the least.

The deity of the Hebrew was Shaddai, I AM THAT I AM... HE WHO IS WITHOUT NAME OR NUMBER.... In order for our deity to have a name then that means a being before he was in existence to give him a name. Yet we know that our Most High was the first and is the last... there is none before him or equal to him....

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God

Isaiah 43: I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

So now that it is evident that there has never been anything that was beside the Most High or before him.... There is no savior so the theory of Y'shua is dead and the new testament is bogas..

Brother,

Yahweh and Jehovah are two very different things, and Yahshua was not created at the council of Nicene.

So what should we call him? Shaddai is not a name. The Bible states on many occasions that the father did certain things for his name sake and that he saved people because of his name. So then what is his name not his title.



And I ru2helplessWrote:Thus our Hebrew brothas and sista should not be using the name Yhwh because it is the name of a King (Egyptian king) but I will go into that at a much later date.

Sobecause aKing desided to name himself after Yahaweh then that means that is notthe true name of the creator. Many kings named themselvesafter the god they worshiped.

And please learn me on this information.

Shalom.

jaziasha wrote: "Yahweh and Jehovah are two very different things, and Yahshua was not created at the council of Nicene."

Actually Yahweh and Jehovah are the same people. There wasn't a letter 'J' until recently... meaning the letter 'j' did not exist in the time of the ancients. J is the same as Y.

YHWH is the same as JHVH. The letters 'Y' and 'V' are interchangable with the letters 'Y' in representation of 'J' and the letter 'W' is interchangable with the letter 'V'.

In the modern Hebrew/Yiddish language the letter 'V' is taken in place of 'W'. So in essence the letters 'YHWH' and 'JHVH' are exactly the same. Jehovah and Yehoweh.

Now in concerns with Y'shua let use do some exploring on his subject. Y'shua was not mentioned in the writing of the Dead sea scroll which is the older then the writings of the first bible ever produced. These are the men that was supposed to be around this Y'shua character. I will post a little text that I have from a different site:

Most people do not know that the only basis for the Virgin Birth doctrine is in the Old Testament. It is based solely on one scripture in Isaiah 7:14, and this was translated INCORRECTLY. The James Moffatt translation of the Bible has the corrected translation which reads: "Behold a YOUNG WOMAN is with child and shall bear a son." [align=justify]When St. Jerome translated the entire Bible from the Greek into Latin in 400 A.D. (almost 500 years, mind you, after the Messiah's birth), he admitted that he had changed "young woman" to "VIRGIN" in the Latin Vulgate translation. Thus, Isaiah 7:14 in the Vulgate Bible reads: "Behold a VIRGIN shall conceive and bear a son." The Vulgate Bible was adopted (after a few changes) by the Roman Catholic Church in 750 A.D.[/align] According to Christian history the first bible was writing in 405 by St Jerome called the Latin Valgute. Never the less it has been concluded that none of the Gospel writers were the supposed disciples. The Septuagint was was a documentation of the Tanakh but the NT was composed of a different book.

• Old Syriac Version. Contains the Four Gospels, copied about the fourth century. Two copies exist today.
• Syriac Peshitta. This was the standard Syrian Version, created about 150-250 AD. More than 350 copies of it exist today.

Now first and foremost the quote Hebrews were already dead, the supposed authors of the NT gospels. What does that mean? That means that the NT was composed by Christians of that date. There are no true authentic scriptures dealing with Y'shua in the time that he supposedly lived...

What historians such as myself have been able to find that his story Y'shua is exactly like 16 other saviors of the world. I will comprise a list of them if you would like but there is not historical proof that he ever existed. The virgin birth story and so forth was totally taken out of context when they were trying to institute there mordern philosophy. In the geneology of the Christ (i.e. Chrishna) they placed a man in there that was cursed not have children by the Most High. You have to do your historical reseach on the man that they called Yahshuah and please understand that there is not one scripture in the Tanakh that verify his coming or is a prophecy of this man coming to earth. The scriptures say that the Most High is savior and Savior alone. I will post the scriptures sooner or later but let it be known that the scriptures verify what I proclaim.

jaziasha wrote:

"So what should we call him? Shaddai is not a name. The Bible states on many occasions that the father did certain things for his name sake and that he saved people because of his name. So then what is his name not his title. "

That is the case my sista... we should not be calling the Most High any name because there was none before his to give him a name. In referrence to Abraham, Isaac and Yacab they did not call the Most High by a name as I have referenced above. That would be blasphemy on the grandest level. He was referred to by attributes such as 'The Most High', 'Almighty', 'That Which Is',' and many other attibutes that I wouldn't have space enough to write down, but our ancient forefathers knew better then to call him a specific name.

I would like for you to consider the thought that if a man cannot even look upon the Most High least he fall dead, what greater is the man that should say his real name if there was one to say?

The All in All is above a name. The true of the matter is that the bible have a lot of contradiition which I hate to be the one to say, but there was nothing that the Most High did for his name sake. It is blasphemy to even consider that the thought of the Most High having to prove his name sake to little old us is not logical. Why would that which created the Universes of Universes have to prove his name sake to us? He has destroyed the world several of times over... caused great flood (Nile river flood) because of the wicked nation of man, do you really think that he has something to prove to us???? The arrogance of man is disturbing to say the least.

Even the Jews who are not the original Hebrews Ysraelites know better then to address the Most High by a name. The will say Ha`Sham, Adonai, and everything else before they try to call the Most High a name or what they think to be the name of the Most High. There is no name to which the Most High can be justly called. We assume names thus we try to brand our Most High with a name.

We are the created thus the creator have rights to name each and every last one. He who has no creator cannot be limited by a object that he created called a name. For the scriptures tell us, nothing was before him. Is there 1 single name that you can think of that can describe ever single thing on the face of this earth, mars, venus, sun, moon, this gall...cy or the billions of others out there. I mean can you think of a name covers every single space, 1 trillions of a trllions of a trillionth of and inch? All that is is he, thus he cannot be summed up by letters that are not even the first and last laters of the Hebrew alphabet. He is supposed be called by a discription which is the best description that our minds can comprephend and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob knew this. That is why Elyon, Shaddai and so for is what they said.

jaziasha wrote:

"Sobecause aKing desided to name himself after Yahaweh then that means that is notthe true name of the creator. Many kings named themselvesafter the god they worshiped. "

Once agian you must reference what I wrote. There is no king that could actually take a name of the Most High because he cannot be named or numbered. It is impossible. Yah as I once said is the same name of the Moon God Yah of the Egyptians. The Babylonians had a Moon God name IAH which is the same as Yah. The Sumerians had a deity by the name of Enlil and Enki. En in the Sumerian tongue is the same as Iah/Yah/Yahweh. He was the god that saved man in the Flood story of Noah (Nao in Egypt). All of these gods with the name Yahweh.

jaziasha wrote:

" And please learn me on this information. "

Ok since you asked! There were 2 great periods in our history that we were captured and taken into slavery. The first period was during the Babylonian period and the second period was during the Grecian Roman period. It was during the first period that we assumed the God name Yah/YHWH. The babylonian deity named Iah was a moon deity. As you will find according to Ezra who wrote the Torah/5 books of laws, he insituted a who different philosophy then what Abraham, Isaac , Jacob and the 12 tribes of Israel followed.

There was no mention of a Shabbot/Sabbath day or Sabbath day worship to the Hebrews prior to Moses. In one section of the Tanakh it says that we must rest on the sabbath day because the Most High rested on the Sabbath day and then in a second part the scriptures say the Sabbath day was created because he brought us out of Egypt. Yet if one does his/her historical research you will find that the ancient Babylonians had a 7th day stay in the house tradition and not work. It was within this period that we pictured up on a alot of the worship of the Babylonians.

Pre-Islam had a god that they called Allah. Allah is the same as IAH/YAH, but because of semantics many haven't caught that. The Hebrew in that day wrote in Aramaic while the pre-Muslims read in Arabic. Thus the lettering system was slightly different. This IAH was the Moon God and his name was Allah. The pre-Islamic Arabs/Babylonians prayed to the east like we were instructed to do in the scriptures. We have the feast like they do and the lunar calendar celebration like they do. Modern Muslims have this same celebration, pray the same and so forth. It was in that time that we picked up on a lot of the worship and even the Deity name of Yah/IAH/YAHWEH. Our forefathers didn't know of a deity by the name of Yahweh/or Yah. Thus many of our traditions are liken to the traditions of the pre-Muslims. We just didn't serve many gods, yet we believed that there were may goes. The first of the 10 commandment verify this "And though shall not serve any other god beside me". That statement along verifies a belief in multiple deities. Deities which we did not serve.

Now let us take a 500 year jump into the future and land in the times of the Romans and Grecians. This also was another terrible period for the Hebrews (note: I don't believe the Hebrews were in the land at that time because the scriptures prove different). The so called Hebrews of that era were enslaved to the Romans and because Paul was a roman citizen he was well learned in the ways of the Romans. History also tells us that Paul was a Priest but we know that from the scriptures that was not right because he was from the tribe of Benjiman that that was not given to that tribe, but to the tribe of Levi. That was the first mistake in the Paulian doctorine.

Secondly, if you read through the teaching of Paul or the Gospels you will be able to see that the Romans played a very big part in the destruction of the Original Hebrew teachings. During the Amarna period (The 18th Dynasty kings 'second note who were all Hebrew kings) the ancient writings were destroyed and thus the true teaching of the Hebrews were and have been lost for thousands of years. Yet the Romans knew that there were certians that still have a basic knowledge of the scriptures of old through verbal tradition. Those that came... the 72 men (Septuagint) only gave what they could remember and that is why you have the P, J E and another type of Tanakh. They were confused on the true history of the Yisraelites so we have contraditions in the scriptures today. When the 72 scribes went back home, they left these writings at the disposal of the Romans and Grecians and to this today we have the New Testament.

History proves itself and I will go into more detail about this but right now my time has run short.

The way it was explained to me is; God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God but in different forms.

It's like Water, ice and steam. They are all the same thingjust in different forms.

clp)Very good analogy. However can I just say, the word trinity is never mentioned in the bible. God is one not three persons, or three individuals in heaven.

Think about it, Paul tells us that there is no other name under heaven or earth whereby man can be saved, except the name of Jesus.

Yet i believe it is in Job, that God tells us, his own right hand wrought salvation and in Isaiah we learn that Salvation is from God alone.

These things should spell out to us the person of Jesus and who he was.

Like I said, God is one, the bibe says that the devil knows this.. So scrap the trinity, I use to think this is how it was back in the early days, till the Holy Ghost taught me to scrap it.blkscholar Remember in Mike@SDA analogy i guess it would be the steam (Holy Ghost) thats leads us into all truth.

The three are but a manifestation of one thing, this is not hard to understand if you grasp the water,ice and steam analogy that mike put forth.

The arguments of YHWH, Yashua ... like i said some of you have gone into merely understanding translation, but you are know different than say a catholic in your understanding and approach to the Godhead. So with all the knowledge of Greek Mythology, translating Hebrew, Latin and Arabic, you are still no closer in solving the mystery. The mystery cannot be solved through the type of head knowledge i am seeing displayed here by some.

To understand the make up of God, you must undertsand the makeup of yourself, whether you be man or woman. To understand the relationship between God and mankind, you must understand the relationship between man and woman. As the prayer goes, In Earth as it is in heaven these things pattern one another.

Is Jesus God, ultimately if you can understand it, yes he is, and further more if you understand in context, he is the Son of God, only in that he put on humanity and was subject to the rules of humanity. Jesus was also referred to as the Son of man, but yet this is never really argued. Yet Jesus was not the son of Joseph, biologically.

Thomas knelt before Jesus and called him, now mind you Thomas is an Israelite and said "My Lord and My God". hear what Jesus said after, no rebuke to Thomas, no correction as an angel would have done.. Jesus just goes "Blessed are they who believe and have not seen what you have seen" or something to that effect.

All this Greek mythology and Roman stuff posters are coming with shows only one thing, you are good and gathering information but you don't know what to do with it. In fact that is why you cut and paste it in bulk, because you yourselves cannot decipher but only use it to throw at people as though this should put them off course.

For instance on posted further up that the only time a virgin birth was mentioned in the bible was the book of Isaiah. Not true, it was mentioned in Genesis also or a kind of inference to a strange type of birth. However if you set your heart to disbelief, disbelief is what you will get for the work you put in, for as you sow, so sahll you reap.

Lexi, reason and logic alone can reveal the trinity to be a false doctrine. First, we all must understand that the spirit of god resides in us all as ourselves. Y'shua ha-mashiach, referred to a jesus christ, was the son of the most high god, as us all. In the scriptures, angels as well as men and women are mentioned as children of the most high god. Secondly, hebrews 13:2 informs us that angels can translate into human form. However, angels are not physical, according to what most christians teach. Therefore, If y'shua ha-mashiach, called jesus christ, was in existence before man-infesting physically as the son of maryam, then God, the holy ghost, and y'shua would all be holy ghost. In fact, when we die and the physical body decomposes, if some of us believe that the soul goes to hell or heaven, then the souls that go to heaven are holy and those that receive eternal damnation are unholy ghost. In the gospel according to Matthew5:9, y'shua ask us to pray in a manner in which the first sentence is "our father. who art in heaven..." not his father or he is the father. Is that clear? To make the statement implies that the father and "the son" are in separate locations in space and time, which refutes the possibility of y'shua and the most high god being one and the same.

Now, as for historical refernces, much research has been done on the council of nicea who are responsible for creating christmas and involving the doctrine of the trinity in the scriptures. Also, if one studies the scriptures in the language of the yahudiy(judites), which would be aramic or syretic, not greek, then the fact that the verses in the bookjohn chapter five are not worded the same would be evident. According to the gospel of st. thomas, which was discovered in 1945, y'shua is quoted as saying "the kingdomof the most high god is in us and around us." With that in mind, wherever I am the most high god is

Yes, Jesus was God manifested in human form as much as you, me, or any of us is. God created us all the same way- from nothing but His Own Words.

So far i just thank every one for their comments.

THANK YOU..GOD BLESS