Was Jesus God, Manifested in Human Form?

Lexi · (#1 (**permalink**))

I was reading this and i justwondered what Jehovah witnesses and everyone else thought about it

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The Jehovah's Witnesses are among those who claim that the Bible does not teach that Jesus Christ was God, manifest in human form. Here are some of the many biblical problems with that erroneous view.

The Bible tells us:

"As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man."
--Acts 10:25,26

Peter refused worship in light of the Law that said,

"You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve."

In Revelation 19:10, when the apostle John saw an angel, he said,

"I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, See you do it not: I am your fellow-servant, and of your brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God."

Even the angel of the Lord refused to be worshipped.

However, here are many more verses showing that Jesus allowed Himself to be worshipped, simply because He was God "manifest in the flesh":

"While he spoke these things to them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay your hand upon her, and she shall live"
--Matthew 9:18

"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth you are the Son of God"
--Matthew 14:33

"Then she came and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me"
--Matthew 15:25

"And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him"
--Matthew 28:9

"When they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted"
--Matthew 28:17

He received their worship because He was...

"...the image of the invisible God..."
--Colossians 1:15)

"...God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory..."
--1 Timothy 3:16, (emphasis added)

Justavoice · (#2 (**permalink**))

Lexi, It looks as though you have answered your own question.

Jesus allowed what Peter and the Angel would not. Why especially when Isaiah tells us God will not share his glory with another ?

Who then is Jesus to accept worship ?.

Jehovah witness, many church denominations out there talking things they don't understand.

It seems though that you are headed down the right track, seek and you will find ask and it shall be given unto you. People think the scriptures is an easy read and put know effort into trying to understand what they read.

hensekh · (#3 (**permalink**))

Lexi, y'shua ha-mashiach, whom the christians call jesus christ, was not the most high god.

jaziasha · (#4 (**permalink**))

hensekh wrote:

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Lexi, y'shua ha-mashiach, whom the christians call jesus christ, was not the most high god.

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Thank you Hensekh, because Yahshua was not and is not Yahweh.

Justavoice · (#5 (**permalink**))

You see lexi, no sooner that you get close to the truth, other whim's of doctrine and schools of thought/belief throw themselves into the mix.

for instance the poster that mentioned "y'shua ha-mashiach" is a sacred name cult believer, he believes that the name of the messiah can not be pronounced in no other tongue but the Hebrew tongue. So God as written off the whole world because they do not speak his language and his name cannot be translated nor transliterated.

Whilst throwing this name into the mix he/she then wishes to throw you off course from what you have originally found whcih remains unaltered whether he be y'shua ha-mashiach or pronounced Jesus, still this man was worshipped and did not reject worship.

Oh also note, the certain types of Israelites do not believe that Christ as come in the flesh, this is the whole reason Jesus was crucified. Apostle Paul said, if they had known, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory. John writes, that the light was in the world and darkness comprehended it not.

Don't get thrown... keep on where your going.

As for this last statement Yahshua was not and is not Yahweh. You obviously have not read up on the compound names of God.

jamal786 · (#6 (**permalink**))

Was Jesus God, Manifested in Human Form?

NO.

Justavoice · (#7 (**permalink**))

@Jamal

I expect better from you Jamal, sport-smileyyou know how we do it. You can't just say no, bring the proof that God did not. And seeing I have my proof from scripture, dare say you will come with an opposing one from your Koran ?.

Thing is you only read the Koran dismiss all other prophets and their writings so how you going to have a proper discussion with me on this ?.blkexercise

Lexi · (#8 (**permalink**))

YEH! Justavoice is right

I want to know why you don't think he was God manifested in human form.

Be more specific

Scriptures would be nice

jaziasha · (#9 (**permalink**))

Justavoice,

As for this last statement Yahshua was not and is not Yahweh. You obviously have not read up on the compound names of God.

You in your infinite wisdom and knowledge. Will you be kind enough to learn me about these compound names.

And Yahshua still was not Yahweh.

Do you believe that we as men are Elohim? The bible says that we are, so does that make us the most high? NO.

Shalom.

tuckerreed · (#10 (**permalink**))

ABsolutely, positively Jesus IS GOD and Lord and he came to us in human form. As was prophesied in Isaiah, his name will also be Immanuel which means God with US

yes Peter was merely a man, and never said he was Jesus or God but rather just a disciple of Christ

but Christ said, "I(Jesus the son, God the savior/redeemer)and the Father(God the creator) are ONE"

jaziasha · (#11 (**permalink**))

tuckerreed wrote:

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ABsolutely, positively Jesus IS GOD and Lord and he came to us in human form. As was prophesied in Isaiah, his name will also be Immanuel which means God with US

yes Peter was merely a man, and never said he was Jesus or God but rather just a disciple of Christ

but Christ said, "I(Jesus the son, God the savior/redeemer)and the Father(God the creator) are ONE"

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John 17:25-38

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25: Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26: But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29: My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30: I and my Father are one.
31: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32: Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35: If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36: Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37: If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38: But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

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Now the explanation,

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25: Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

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He says in this statement that the works he does are not of his hands but in his fathers name. If he was the most high why would he refer to the works as his fathers and not his own. And the statement that "they bear witness of me" is stating that he was sent by the most high and he is the true Mashiah not that he is the most high.

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29: My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30: I and my Father are one.

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Once again He speaks of his father not of himself and verse 30 only speaks to the fact that we all comes from him are are all his children. Read John 17:21-23

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21: That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22: And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Are we all GOD

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33: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35: If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

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So we are back to the are we gods to question becuase the scripture cannot be broken, True?

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36: Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37: If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38: But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

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Andthis should say it all, "whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world" he again states that the father sent him not that he was the Most High but that the father was in him and he was in the father. When someone in church gets the Ruach(Holy spirit) does that person become that person become holy spirit? A person can connect to Yahweh spiritually and in the spirit realm he and Yahweh can become one but that person does not become Yahweh.

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As was prophesied in Isaiah, his name will also be Immanuel which means God with US
IsYahweh not with us now? Saying god is with us does not mean that he is here in the flesh, Yahshua was everything that man should be in the flesh, plain and simple he was the Truth and the word made flesh not Yahweh himself.

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Shalom.

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tuckerreed · (#12 (**permalink**))

It is up to you to believe in Jesus or NoT, He is God, but you have a right to reject that or believe it, that is free will

I pray that you will accept Christ Jesus as Lord, God and savior(One God three personages-Father, Son and Holy Spirit) that he died for you and me on the cross, was buried, and rose again by the Father, Jehovah. And sit at His right hand, intercessing for us, until the Father sends him back to receive us.

He is Lord and God, Messiah, King of Kings and Lord of Lords

He loves you and died for your sins, do not reject such a wonderful salvation in him Today

jaziasha · (#13 (**permalink**))

tuckerreed wrote:

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It is up to you to believe in Jesus or NoT, He is God, but you have a right to reject that or believe it, that is free will

I pray that you will accept Christ Jesus as Lord, God and savior(One God three personages-Father, Son and Holy Spirit) that he died for you and me on the cross, was buried, and rose again by the Father, Jehovah. And sit at His right hand, intercessing for us, until the Father sends him back to receive us.

He is Lord and God, Messiah, King of Kings and Lord of Lords

He loves you and died for your sins, do not reject such a wonderful salvation in him Today

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First let me say I will not accept something that is not true. Yes Yahshua was impaled on the stake and was buried and rose again after three days, but that does not make the trinity the truth. And yes he was risen from the sepulcher by Yahweh and that he died for our sins. But what does saying all of that prove?

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tuckerreed wrote:ABsolutely, positively Jesus IS GOD and Lord and he came to us in human form.

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Your belief is so strong in this then prove it. Or are you another follower with the faith of a mustard seed and faith as blind as a mouse. I just want the truth and if you can't give me that or something along that path then fine but you can keep your old time religion because it is just that.

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Shalom.

tuckerreed · (#14 (**permalink**))

It is called faith, belief in something unseen but known. It is proven by reading Gods word-the Bible. If I had a faith as small as a mustard seed, i would still have faith. I dont need to prove anything, HIS word and grace is sufficient for me. and my faith is not blind, I read Gods word and I believe it, so its not blind, i went into it with eyes wide open

mike@sda · (#15 (**permalink**))

The way it was explained to me is; God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God but in different forms.

It's like Water, ice and steam. They are all the same thingjust in different forms.

tuckerreed · (#16 (**permalink**))

amen friend, this is true very good

jaziasha · (#17 (**permalink**))

mike@sda wrote:

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The way it was explained to me is; God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God but in different forms.

It's like Water, ice and steam. They are all the same thingjust in different forms.

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Good analogy, but what does it prove? I can make several different analogies of the same but would that prove that there is a such thing as the trinity?....I am not trying to be difficult but your faith should be based on what you know about a certian thing be it religion or other wise. I know that it takes faith to overcome some obstacles but some things shoud be common sense and facts period.

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Shalom.

mike@sda · (#18 (**permalink**))

@jaziasha
Why dont you believe in the trinity?

And that Jesus is God?

jaziasha · (#19 (**permalink**))

mike@sda wrote:

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@jaziasha
Why dont you believe in the trinity?

And that Jesus is God?

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Becuase to truly be one who believes, it is to believe that Yahshua was a "man"the son of Yahweh but a man never the less. And to believe that this manhad all power in his hand becauseYahweh said so and he believed so. He was not Yahweh but an extension of the most high as we all are. The disciples after the death of Yahshua were able to heal the sick and perform miracles but we dare not say that they were gods. To believe that a Yahweh performs miracles and raised the dead is to have no belief at all because what do you expecthe is the most high but to believe that his son could, a man like myself could do the samethat is to believe and to have mustard seed faith. To say that I can stand as a man because Yahshua stood as a man and not a god as you say is power. Enough to move Mountains.

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Shalom.

Lexi · (#20 (**permalink**))

Lexi · (#21 (**permalink**))

This may be off the subject but here goes

FOR ALL WHO ARE WILLING TO READ AND GAIN KNOWLEDGE

I got this of a webside about how islamic teachings view Jesus

What does Islam teach about the crucifixion of Isa al Masih (Jesus)?

The essential difference

Historic Christianity contends that Jesus was crucified, dead, and buried outside of Jerusalem during the thirty-third year of His life. Christians contend that there is Biblical and historical evidence for the crucifixion, and that it was significant theologically in providing an atonement for the sins of all who would/will believe.

Muslims dispute the fact of Jesus' crucifixion, arguing that Allah would never have dishonored His prophet by allowing Him to undergo such a death. Muslims believe that Jesus was miraculously caught up into heaven and that someone (perhaps Judas Iscariot) surreptitiously took His place on the cross.

Does it really matter?

The historical reality of Jesus' crucifixion is an essential doctrine of the Christian faith. Without the crucifixion the resurrection becomes irrelevant, and without the resurrection Christianity itself is rendered meaningless,

i.e. I Corinthians 15:14 "and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain."

Does the Qur'an actually contend that Jesus was not crucified?
Is it possible that this is really a case of misguided tradition?

Surah 4:157-158 states: "That they said (in boast), 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah' -- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not -- nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself."

Now if "they" refers to the Jews (and that seems clear), then the Qur'an might be considered technically correct in contending that the Jews themselves did not crucify Jesus (see also John 18:31) -- that it was actually the Romans who did the deed. Is it possible that the heart of the conflict here really lies in a faulty interpretation of the Qur'an?

Why would Jesus as Allah's prophet have so often predicted His crucifixion?
Matthew 17:22-23 says "And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them, 'The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.' And they were deeply grieved." Consider also Mark 9:31; Luke 9:22; John 12:32-33. Jesus stressed this over and over. Why?

Doesn't the Qur'an corroborate the Bible regarding Jesus' death?

Surah 3:54 states: "When Allah said: 'O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve..."

In so many ways that seems to corroborate with Philippians 2:8-10 which states:

"And being found in appearance as a man, He [Jesus] humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth,"

Why would Allah deliberately deceive the world in such an insidious way?
It seems most incongruent with Islamic doctrine regarding the character of Allah to maintain that Allah would have either needed or chosen to resort to chicanery and mass deception in order to spare the life of Isa (Jesus).

What do y'all think?????????

ru2helpless · (#22 (**permalink**))

hensekh wrote:

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Lexi, y'shua ha-mashiach, whom the christians call jesus christ, was not the most high god.
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Shama Ysrael, Yahuwah Elahnu Yahuwah Ehad..

Both of you guys are totally correct in saying that Y'shuah was not the Most High. That is a Roman Grecians mythology.

Shalom Shalom

tuckerreed · (#23 (**permalink**))

what book did you get Yeshua was just a man and if Yahweh(Our blessed God) has a son, how is that son just a man? from what Holy book did you get this from?

tuckerreed · (#24 (**permalink**))

Muslims dispute and believe this from where? is that in the Koran? if so where in the Koran does it say, Judas Iscariot and that Jesus was not given to mankind to forgive all sins through his blood shed on the cross.

we dont Historically believe this about Christ, you say Historical chrisitains believe this, NO, Spiritually we know this to be true, its is not just a piece of History but it is the ONLY way to be a Believer and follower in Christ Jesus, the Messiah and son of God.

I will say this and be done for Christians should not be debating God with unbelievers, but I will pray for you and your salvation

jaziasha · (#25 (**permalink**))

tuckerreed wrote:

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what book did you get Yeshua was just a man and if Yahweh(Our blessed God) has a son, how is that son just a man? from what Holy book did you get this from?

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This doesn't need a scripture, this is common sense. His Mother was a woman of flesh and bones, so would she not give birth to a child of the same? Do you remember the Last supper? The bread for my flesh and the wine for my blood? So flesh and blood doesn't make him a man?

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You yourself said it

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tuckerreed wrote:ABsolutely, positively Jesus IS GOD and Lord and he came to us in human form. As was prophesied in Isaiah, his name will also be Immanuel which means God with US

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Is not human form a man or a wombman? Once again your religion has put you on the defense and you are ready to defend this with questions. You have no answers only questions.

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As for being a nonbeliever, I believe but only in the truth. You believe what you are told, I believe what I am shown. I can stand alone because I know that Yahweh is with me but you need the congregation and the amen corner to complete your faith.

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? If T.D. Jakes said that Gawd told him to change his religion how many believers would stop believing?

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Now can you prove that the trinity is of Yahweh? Or is it man made like religion.

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Shalom.