Hotep,

Am I the only one who finds it odd that we turn to the so-called white jews, the arabs, and white people in our quest to have a relationship with the Netjer (or God, Allah, Yaweh, Jah, etc)? Can we really trust the religious texts of the people who have never done anything but lie to us and try to kill us to teach us about the Lord?

Of course we don't. Whites and arabs never ever had to teach Black people anything about religion. We have ALWAYS believed in God. First of all, all three major Western religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity) are nothing more than a distortion of Afrikan beliefs. If whites and arabs can collect bits of our culture here and there and put it in a book, why can't we? Why can't we take the sections from the Prt m Hru (poorly translated as the Book of the Dead) that were written by the Black dynasties, the Maxims of the great Nubian Ptahotep, etc and make our own Bible, holidays, and religious practices? I suppose that is what Kwanza is about, but that never really caught on. Any thoughts?

AkhenSebek Nefer Khnum

peace,

I agree as well with what you are saying. We still havent caught on to the fact that YT needs us to stay alive. By praying to their spirit power names(i.e Jesus as opposed to y'shua)and identifyingwith their concepts,we only give them power over ourselves. YT doesn't have any real culture and spiritual system so they have to convince us of the same. And when we identify with that, we are labeled all sorts of names that are used as fear tactics to scare into submitting to their way of life and thinking.

Actually CHURCHES are "the" or "some of the"MOST segregated places you can go!

Blacks DO infact already have their own "religion" or twist on different religions!

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What most of this argurment steps from is walking into Black people's homes and seeing a picture of a WHITE brownhaired/blue eyed Jesus hanging from their wall!

This is unacceptable!mad-moonie

I think some of the emphasis that should be made is that Jesus made us "Black" for a reason: b/c he wanted us to be so. Their for loving our Black hertiage/community should be part of our religion and BELIEF SYSTEM!

Since Christianity and Islam has no black icons indeed Islam forbids the very use of symbols then it will be impossible for Blacks to display racial pride within these beliefs systems.

African people have been able to unite politically under these systems but they still leave us short on cultural expression. Plus there universalistic aspirations negate this thinking at source as the world ideally woukld be a homogenised religious block of converted heathens in the Christian / Islamic world view.

Much of the imagery and history that black people have claimed for themselves based of the bible is false history anyway. Such as the Jews being an enslaved race in Kemet for 400 years.. and the obvious connoctation mande by Africans with the oppressive European system with the fictional Pharonic system which while elitist did not brutalise its inhabitants or rely on slave labour for its existance either.

Im yet to go into a Black church and see a Black Jesus on the wall. Does this church even exist.

I understand yourpoint but this can be argued from 2 different perspectives:


First of all MOST Black folk won't even follow the scriptures they already have and could care less who they came from, so what makes you think they'll observe a Black scripture?

The Koran and much of the Bible are scriptures originally delivered to the world by people of color and most of us are finding excuses to reject them.

They aren't rejecting it because it came from a Roman or an Arab, they're rejecting it because they don't want to follow the rules in the book! We want to do what WE want to do as individuals, not follow the rules.

Morality is morality and if you really intend on doing right you would care less about who made the rules than whether or not the rules are just.



On the other hand....


I believe a holy scripture or divine rules tailored specifically to fit the issues we presently have as Black people would be excellent.

As a people, we certainly need something to give us direction and govern our lives.

I'd certainly follow a scripture that made sense if I knew it was divine and would uplift me and my people.


But again, I'm willing to bet most of our people wouldn't follow scripture if Malcolm X or Garvey himself came up out the grave and spoonfed it to every one of them directly.

True. From our ancestors to the present generation, we have always believed in a higher power. Our major downfall to this day is exactly which ONE and is that ONE the true supreme God? Religions which were created within this world holds no profit, but truespirituality does. What we all individually have to do is to desire the truth with all our hearts. What is asked, one will recieve. I can't stress this enough..hopefully people will read, understand and begin to research. Start by looking up the world "religion" and see what the word itself translates into in latin at Webster.com.

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=religion



01HatHaruhotep wrote: Hotep,

We have ALWAYS believed in God. First of all, all three major Western religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity) are nothing more than a distortion of Afrikan beliefs.

@All

One Question or more for you guys yeah,

If the Bible and Koran come from a similar source e.g. the 'Book of the Dead' (Original Text) in Hieroglyphics or another Text with earlier information.

How were the Romans (Neanderthals Savages) able to change the text competely to Brainwash our people later in History e.g. Slavery to today?

Another question - Is there another Book or Text made before the Creation of Adam and Eve?

Because I read something about the Bibleis only meant for the Caucasian race, cause the first Adam was meant to be an East Indian and Negros were made way before him.

If You know 1+1=2 are you going to argue with someone who says its 11?

Why do we know Jesus is Black then turn around and say, Its white mans religion?

Thoth83 wrote: Calling Christianity or Islam a "Black religion" is just as silly as calling Buddhism a "Black religion." History has yielded the same in both cases. They started out with Black people, but the ideologies were moldedand hijacked by Asiatics and Indo-Europeans. It is nothing more than an untamed ego that makes a Black person claim these religions as "Black" today.

this is exactly what i say in my post found here: http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackf...m26/16797.html.

what i also ask is: why can't we also use Islam, the religion closest to home, practiced by a significant percentage of west Afrikans, East Africans and Southern Africans; fine tune it slowly, over time,to suit our needs, change some names so they are not so Arabic sounding. it can be done, especially if our best minds from every Afrikan community are involved in forging this new religion so there isagreement from every corner with the changes.

the fact biblical stories in Hebrewsound different from those in English on account of names in the religion tells you these people even changed the names to suit the most common names in their cultures.

a religion is just a collection of teachings with the aim of altering the belief system already present within members of a society in order to unite them for a purpose (build a tower of Babel). we all have a religion, ie. vague or coherent beliefs that we live or die by. life itself is impossible if you didn't believe it is worthwhile staying alive. thesse personal beliefs have to be bent into one if you are ever going to get any communal, gigantic project off the ground. this belief system has to be maintained for the duration of the project otherwise people will wander off with their own personal needs, speaking in different tongues, and the tower of Babel will be left standing idle.

modern religions may have started out within black communities, and were meant to serve the need of their elite or maybe even the whole population. this means they were tailored to the culture that spawned them. what happened when they changed hands was the new beholders altered them to fit their cultures. we have seen even recently that religions can be altered and new variants created, eg. protenstants, catholics, etc., to suit one's needs.

this means, in their present form, Islam or Christianity ARE alien to the culture or needs of Blaks around the world. believing in them may create a weakness as we might end upexhalting other people's cultural, intellectualand physical characteristics above our own, building and improving their culture while ours remain neglected and in a state of ruin, when in fact we should be exhalting our darn selves in Godly form and improving our lot, using this unifyingeffect to build a congenial civilization, which is the aim of the whole excercise.

for reasons of coherency i point out the quoted text is understanding of the process. advocating Islam among Afrikan folk isn't such a bad idea given Afrikans are prepared to do as others have done... to change the religion to fit their our needs. it must not be forgotten that though christianity, Judaism or Islam are altered, diviated from the original major religion, the cultural practices depicted of the people in the book are more similar with a lot of African cultures (Igbo, Ngoni, etc) in the present, and not with those who stole the religions, so it makes the task of adapting the religion to present day Afrikan needs that much easier.

why do we need to go for African religions when there is one in existance that is tested, proven to be very effective,that only needs a bit of twicking here and there to make it our own once again?