Bilal:African prophet / Islam's 7th convert - Page 2

Omaar · (#26 (**permalink**))

Mezmerized

I'd like to know, what religion are you?

The Last African · (#27 (**permalink**))

Omaar wrote:

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Mezmerized

I'd like to know, what religion are you?

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Stupidity if that was a religion.Or is it

The Last African · (#28 (**permalink**))

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This is Akhenaten1. Please refrain from referring to me as 'stupid' ( it hurts

). Computers and technology make life easier and benefit everyone. Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus etc. all worship the same oneGOD and there are universal truths in all religions but religion is a strong part of any culture and I believe African people would be better off practicing religions that come from our owncultures. I agree with flow-uncover that justice should be on the side of whoeveris wronged regardless of race/ethnicity, and that GOD is no respecter of personsbut I'm still convinced that ,to avoid a conflict of interest ,Africans should be pro-African before they are pro Muslim or pro-Christian. Do you everwonder why Arabs and Europeans don't practice African religions? Are they inferior or not to be taken seriously? Does it have anything to do with their cultures? I personally practice no religion, but I'm interested in the Yoruba religion of Ifa.

I am not referring to you personally as stupid. You haven't earned that

. It was the mindset I was calling stupid (not you, I have no reason to call you stupid). Not using things which are clearly better because your culture hasn't produced. That is stupid. It's like going to war today with a freaking sword You would get killed long time before you even entered the "battlefield". Female circumcision is a African practice but I cannot find many that would be pro that on BN. Just because a practice is African doesn't necessarily mean it is good.

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I don't know how you figure thatthe Middle East is geographically a part of Africa, I could conclude that Africa, Asia and Europe are all one continent but this would be impractical.

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The Arabian peninsula is closer to the African mainland than Madagaskar is for example. Do you know how they deciced where Europe began and where Europe stooped. The looked at the people, at their religion (and no I do not consider todays middle east asafrica), their customs, their apperance. The people in eastern africa (and southern), even the non-muslims share a lot of traditions together with Arabsand have done so for longer than islam has existed. They most probably share genes too in most cases. It was the Europeans that decided where a continents started and where another ended. Just like they wrote the African maps, dividing tribes.

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No matter how many loan words Swahili has from Arabic and to a lesser extent other languages, it is still clearly a Bantu African language and the most significant one ( if I'm not mistaken, there are about 5 million ethnic Swahili people, and about 50 million peoplein E. and parts ofC. Africa who speak the lingua francae as a second language ).

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It's not loan words really, the too languages are related unless I am wrong (there is a site just about this). And so is many African languages too with for example Arabic.

Shabaka1 · (#29 (**permalink**))

Dark Prince86 wrote:

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Shabaka1 wrote:

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This is Akhenaten1. Please refrain from referring to me as 'stupid' ( it hurts

). Computers and technology make life easier and benefit everyone. Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus etc. all worship the same oneGOD and there are universal truths in all religions but religion is a strong part of any culture and I believe African people would be better off practicing religions that come from our owncultures. I agree with flow-uncover that justice should be on the side of whoeveris wronged regardless of race/ethnicity, and that GOD is no respecter of personsbut I'm still convinced that ,to avoid a conflict of interest ,Africans should be pro-African before they are pro Muslim or pro-Christian. Do you everwonder why Arabs and Europeans don't practice African religions? Are they inferior or not to be taken seriously? Does it have anything to do with their cultures? I personally practice no religion, but I'm interested in the Yoruba religion of Ifa.

I am not referring to you personally as stupid. You haven't earned that

. It was the mindset I was calling stupid (not you, I have no reason to call you stupid). Not using things which are clearly better because your culture hasn't produced. That is stupid. It's like going to war today with a freaking sword You would get killed long time before you even entered the "battlefield". Female circumcision is a African practice but I cannot find many that would be pro that on BN. Just because a practice is African doesn't necessarily mean it is good.

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You're right, something isn't good or perfect because it's practiced by Africans, but you're comparing African religions to female genital mutilation? Do you think that Islam is superior to African religions or Africans can relate more to Islam then African religions? There's no comparing technology or female mutilations like there is in comparing two cultures or religions as 'better' or 'worse'. What does Islam offer Africans that African religions can't and does this make African religions or the cultures that produced them inadequate ? If there were no traditional African religions I could understand the arguement that Islam is something great that just happened to come out of Arab culture, but have our ancestors produced anything equal?

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I don't know how you figure thatthe Middle East is geographically a part of Africa, I could conclude that Africa, Asia and Europe are all one continent but this would be impractical.

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The Arabian peninsula is closer to the African mainland than Madagaskar is for example. Do you know how they deciced where Europe began and where Europe stooped. The looked at the people, at their religion (and no I do not consider todays middle east asafrica), their customs, their apperance. The people in eastern africa (and southern), even the non-muslims share a lot of traditions together with Arabsand have done so for longer than islam has existed. They most probably share genes too in most cases. It was the Europeans that decided where a continents started and where another ended. Just like they wrote the African maps, dividing tribes.

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Like the entire discussion maybe, that's not something concrete or black and white I can just accept because you proposed the idea, Arabs may or may notbe more alike to Africans then any other non-African people but they're not African people. What happened between now and then that you no longer consider the Middle East part of Africa? I think if we share dna with them ( beyondeveryone belonging to the human family ) it's because of the Islamic/Eastern Africa slave trade.

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No matter how many loan words Swahili has from Arabic and to a lesser extent other languages, it is still clearly a Bantu African language and the most significant one ( if I'm not mistaken, there are about 5 million ethnic Swahili people, and about 50 million peoplein E. and parts ofC. Africa who speak the lingua francae as a second language ).

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It's not loan words really, the too languages are related unless I am wrong (there is a site just about this). And so is many African languages too with for example Arabic.

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You are wrong. Swahili is a Bantu African language with many Arabic loan words.Swahili is a Bantu African language and the Bantu languages are a branch off of the Niger-Congo language family, Arabic isa Semetic language and the Semetic languages are a branch off of theAfro-Asiatic language family ( which doesincludes African language families like 'Cushite', Chadic etc. ). Swahili has more in common with other Bantu languages then Arabic or any other Semetic language, I'm sure Swahili and Yoruba have practically nothing in common and they have more in common with each other ( in structure, not loan words)then with Arabic, what with belonging to the same Niger-Congo language family. I'm trying to learn Swahili, and I can't speak my own language ( Bemba ) but I notice many of the same ( and similar sounding)words like 'Bwana' and 'hodi' as well as Arabic derived words like 'marahaba' and 'salama'. Similarities w/ Arabic in Swahili occured from contact with Arabs ( and Persians, Portuguese, whoever ) not because they naturally evolved alike. If I'm not mistaken, Swahili originated in Zanzibar.

Somali-Sista · (#30 (**permalink**))

Bilal was not a prophet!