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In particular, is the Old Testament of theChristian Biblefully inspired by God?
The reason I ask this is because this is something I hear frequently from Christians that all of the Bibleis "God breathed" or inspired by God. In defense of this, Christians have stated that the Old Testament was written by relatively scattered, yet God-inspired, men where the entire legacy of theHebrews purportedlyfit together perfectly once the books were brought together. However, some skeptics (including myself) think that the Old Testament is much the work of a priestly editor. Some parts have been popularly noted as the work ofa d euteronomic redactor.
The main reasons I am bringing this up is to ask if the Old Testament is actually inspired by God in its entirety, then why does II Kings 19:1-37 & Isaiah 37:1-38 have words that are identical in the verses, yet, are attributed to different authors?
And when King Hezekiah heard it, he tore his clothes, covered himself with sackcloth and entered the house of the LORD. ~II Kings 19:1
And when King Hezekiah heard it, he tore his clothes, covered himself with sackcloth and entered the house of the LORD. ~Isaiah 37:1
Then Hezekiah took the letter from the hand of the messengers and read it, and he went up to the house of the LORD and spread it out before the LORD. ~II Kings 19:14
Then Hezekiah took the letter from the hand of the messengers and read it, and he went up to the house of the LORD and spread it out before the LORD. ~Isaiah 37:14
It came about as he was worshiping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer killed him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Ararat And Esarhaddon his son became king in his place. ~II Kings 19:37
It came about as he was worshiping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons killed him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Ararat And Esarhaddon his son became king in his place. ~Isaiah 37:38
Considering this,can we honestly say thattheChristian Bibleisinspired by God? Is it possible for two totally different people to produce the same thing without a copyist?
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Personally AS a Christian, I think that many parts of the bible are from man and man alone. The 10 commandments hold true to me. Jesus for some unknown explanation does too. Why? I can't tell you. I could not give you a logical reason if I tried. So don't start me lying. Everything else is skeptical to me. I mean now if I followed David that means I would have someone killed to marry their pretty wife or become like Solomon and marry many many women. Yet according to the bible it is wrong to do both of these, so why did these guys get to break the rules? I honestly believe people just added parts of the bible as they saw fit to justify things that had done. I always try to tell people the same people that were editing the Old Testament are the same ones that killed Jesus. So how can you really trust what they wrote?
I guess I just have a belief the same way scientists believe there is sentient life on other planets in the universe but they cannot prove it. SO I guess as humans we all hold onto some some unproven facts as truth.
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I am glad that Blacknet is back I missed some of the learning.
Brother Thoth,
I will say that the repetition doesn't mean that the words were not inspired by Yahweh, only that the words were passed down and around by people. That being said I believe thatthe bible has been changed by manfor his own purpose and must be studied in conjunction with other material to truly understand.
Why is it so hard to beleive that the bible was written by different men inspiredby Yahweh. Could he have notgivendifferentProphets the say revelation, especially if people were as hard headed as they were then? If it was said to be written by one man as the Quran would that make it any more believable for some people?
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Why is it so hard to beleive that the bible was written by different men inspiredby Yahweh. Could he have notgivendifferentProphets the say revelation, especially if people were as hard headed as they were then? If it was said to be written by one man as the Quran would that make it any more believable for some people?
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So you are saying that it was revealed to two different men and they composed the exact same words? There are plenty of examples where different books of the Bible reference the same event, but are written in different verbage. Why in this case should we believe that the 37 or 38 verses were not copied? Why should we not conclude that it had nothing to do with divine intervention, but current interests of the time?
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Why is it so hard to beleive that the bible was written by different men inspiredby Yahweh. Could he have notgivendifferentProphets the say revelation, especially if people were as hard headed as they were then? If it was said to be written by one man as the Quran would that make it any more believable for some people?
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So you are saying that it was revealed to two different men and they composed the exact same words? There are plenty of examples where different books of the Bible reference the same event, but are written in different verbage. Why in this case should we believe that the 37 or 38 verses were not copied? Why should we not conclude that it had nothing to do with divine intervention, but current interests of the time?
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I am sayindthat if it was copied does that mean that the words cannot be devinely inspired? It could have been current interest and it could have also been devine words given to one and copied by another. Does that makethe wordsany less inspired by Yahweh?
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I am sayindthat if it was copied does that mean that the words cannot be devinely inspired? It could have been current interest and it could have also been devine words given to one and copied by another. Does that makethe wordsany less inspired by Yahweh?
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If I tell you that something was revealed to me by God, and then you later find the exact words elsewhere, you would probably doubt it all together. If the Hebrews were copyists in these respects, it would explain why large portions of Genesis, Psalms, and Proverbs are found in much earlier Kemetic/Egyptian writings. Unless of course, you classify this inspiration as whatever someone finds useful to further their religious cause.
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The naive believes everything,but the sensible man considers his steps. ~Proberbs 14:15
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