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12-01-06, 07:51 PM
you cant use one or to christians to speak for the entire christiandom
Think outside of the box...Think in spirit
Act as if it were impossible to fail!!!
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12-01-06, 09:05 PM
Is this girl a newly converted Christian?
I was speaking to a fellow Christian girl that gave a blank face when I challenged her bout some stuff. Maybe its a sign of being out of touch with the world but I'd say its because no person can have all the answers to life questions. As Dr. Myles Munroe would probably say, if you wanna know about a product, ask the manufacturer. You wanna know why the earth is the way it is ask God, or go to the Word of God (the Bible) and see what it says about the world. These are the last days so I'm, not surprised at all the things that us blacks have been going through.
I've seen 2 of the exministries Dvds and some of his argumentsare seriously flawed. When saying "Hip-hop" he is talking about the culture as a whole and not just the music. But I don't totally agree with his argument so...
But as ladyday said, 2 people ain't representative of billions of Christians.
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Ask most Christians if they think that we were blessed to receive the Bible as a result of slavery and colonialism andmany will answer yes. It just amazes me that people can have so much faith in a system of belief that was used to enslave them.
"The Devil wants his church back" (from BP's link) so are we to assume that the Devil built the church? These people speak so much shite.
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"The Devil wants his church back" (from BP's link) so are we to assume that the Devil built the church? These people speak so much sh*te.
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Well to begin with you misquoted the website. Just for your information the man said:
"The devil wants the church, he wants his place back, that's why he's always trying to get in the church."
And NO the devil did NOT build the church.
Ask most Christians if they think that we were blessed to receive the Bible as a result of slavery and colonialism andmany will answer yes. It just amazes me that people can have so much faith in a system of belief that was used to enslave them.
It amazes me how so many blacks can say that Jesus and a lot of other famous historical figures were black, then Christianity gets mentioned and suddenly it's the "White man's religion".
In what way was Christianity used to enslave people? I'm sincerely yearning to know.
As far as I know guns, chains and whips were used to enslave people. And as for a system of belief used to ensave people....I thought that was called imperialism(the highest form of capitalism-which,incidently, so many people still have faith in).
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Just to answer your points HFK.
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"The Devil wants his church back" (from BP's link) so are we to assume that the Devil built the church? These people speak so much sh*te.
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Well to begin with you misquoted the website. Just for your information the man said:
"The devil wants the church, he wants his place back, that's why he's always trying to get in the church."
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
It amazes me how so many blacks can say that Jesus and a lot of other famous historical figures were black, then Christianity gets mentioned and suddenly it's the "White man's religion".
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Nope I would say Jesus never even existed as an historical figure. Cant put me in that box Im afraid. Even if we take the premise that he did exist. Its how we represent is what matters. Do the Indians and Chinese care that Budda was black? Are they nopt justified according to the precepts of the religion that Budda can be represented as they choose. Which is in a way that reflects them.
In what way was Christianity used to enslave people? I'm sincerely yearning to know.
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As far as I know guns, chains and whips were used to enslave people. And as for a system of belief used to ensave people....I thought that was called imperialism(the highest form of capitalism-which,incidently, so many people still have faith in).
The guns chains and whips were the instruments of enslavement. It was the ideology behind the users and producers of these instruments of control that was the guiding force of the enterprise. Initially it was the Church and Bibilical teachings that sanctified and re-enforced the thinking that the ignorant savages were pre-ordained to be controlled by a "higher civilisation". Only later did their science mostly anthropologyfollow the same line.Slavery and the Pope are peas in a pod.. One of the first English slave ships sailed by John Hawkins was called Jesus. Upon arriving at the Caribbean Africans were given the Bible as an additional form of control. Or do you think it was for the sake of our souls?
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No doubt slavery was driven by economic concerns/ but even giants such as Shell and BP produce corporate statements of what their objectives are and a moral basis of why they pursue their objectives.
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Christianity was the corporate statement of the budding capitalist.
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I havent even touched on the division it caused in the continent. Christianity and Islam are the only tworeligions I know that gives non belivers an inferior status. And indentally the only two religions that are associated with imperilism.
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Hope that satifies your yearning.
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It is a major system of man-made control, how would it work if one wasn't led blindly to some degree? We all are aware of the saying, "What you don't know can hurt you" but lack, by means of not looking hard and deepenough,a very profound example of it. The example is here and has been for the longest....some see it, but the majority of the masses don't.
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13-01-06, 01:34 PM
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Just to answer your points HFK.
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Initially it was the Church and Bibilical teachings that sanctified and re-enforced the thinking that the ignorant savages were pre-ordained to be controlled by a "higher civilisation". Only later did their science mostly anthropologyfollow the same line.Slavery and the Pope are peas in a pod.. One of the first English slave ships sailed by John Hawkins was called Jesus. Upon arriving at the Caribbean Africans were given the Bible as an additional form of control. Or do you think it was for the sake of our souls?
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No doubt slavery was driven by economic concerns/ but even giants such as Shell and BP produce corporate statements of what their objectives are and a moral basis of why they pursue their objectives.
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Christianity was the corporate statement of the budding capitalist.
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I havent even touched on the division it caused in the continent. Christianity and Islam are the only tworeligions I know that gives non belivers an inferior status. And indentally the only two religions that are associated with imperilism.
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A collection of Europeanslabelling themselves as Christians and bringing blacks into slavery in the name of God does notnecessarily represent the virtues and the valuesof Christianity any more than it justifies slavery.
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Ithink people seem to ignore the affect of human agency concerning events that occur nowadays. If I call myself a Christian and go and kill a man that steps on my shoe, does that mean that Christianity preaches to kill people who step on our shoes? No, it was a choice that I made regardless of whatever religion/faith/creed I attach myself to.
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Instead of saying that the slave owners were corrupt/evil/whatever, people blame Christianity . Someone can read the bible and go buy a slave (Pope) another person can read the bible andhelp set someone free (Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.). But people rebuke Christianity because some confused 'Christians' advocated the slavery.
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It is a major system of man-made control, how would it work if one wasn't led blindly to some degree? We all are aware of the saying, "What you don't know can hurt you" but lack, by means of not looking hard and deepenough,a very profound example of it. The example is here and has been for the longest....some see it, but the majority of the masses don't.
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2 billion Christians, 6 billion people in the world. Apparently the majority of the masses DO think in the same way that you do.
As for being a system of man-made control. No man is controlling anybody, the Bible is there, you can choose to accept it or reject it. No man can control you except you allow him to.
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13-01-06, 07:12 PM
Yes christians are blind because they have no knowledge of where their doctrine or religion comes from and yes Europeans used christianity to control the minds of blacks and many others. Thats basically how they gained control of countries, the nations that rejected the religion totally pretty much survived complete white imperialism.
To believe is to have doubt and no facts but to know is to have facts and no doubt.
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14-01-06, 12:57 AM
The majority thinking like me, how so?
True, one cannot be controlled unless one allows it...allowing to be controlled by lack of knowing of being controlled or known but by deception.
As for the bible, I've understood what I needed to understand from it. I understand the truth from the lies and the lack of congruencey between the two, but that doesn't mean the whole work is in error. If one knows what one is looking for, one will surely find it.
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2 billion Christians, 6 billion people in the world. Apparently the majority of the masses DO think in the same way that you do.
As for being a system of man-made control. No man is controlling anybody, the Bible is there, you can choose to accept it or reject it. No man can control you except you allow him to.
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HFK
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15-01-06, 07:14 PM
offtopic.gif whos the writer that said
'when they came to africa, they brought the book and we had the riches, now we carry the book and they have the wealth'
not exact quote but close
and the book is the bible
In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
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15-01-06, 08:00 PM
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A collection of Europeanslabelling themselves as Christians and bringing blacks into slavery in the name of God does notnecessarily represent the virtues and the valuesof Christianity any more than it justifies slavery.
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Ithink people seem to ignore the affect of human agency concerning events that occur nowadays. If I call myself a Christian and go and kill a man that steps on my shoe, does that mean that Christianity preaches to kill people who step on our shoes? No, it was a choice that I made regardless of whatever religion/faith/creed I attach myself to.
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No/ But Christianity preaches that those who are not Christian will be killed anyway and not enjoy this imaginary physical ressurection thatthey always bang on about. Whats the difference?
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Instead of saying that the slave owners were corrupt/evil/whatever, people blame Christianity . Someone can read the bible and go buy a slave (Pope) another person can read the bible andhelp set someone free (Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.). But people rebuke Christianity because some confused 'Christians' advocated the slavery.
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