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The information given in the Qur'an about ancient Egypt reveals many historical facts that had remained undisclosed until recent times. These facts also indicate to us that every word in the Qur'an has been revealed by sure wisdom.
Haman is a character whose name is mentioned in the Qur'an, along with the Pharaoh. He is recorded in six different places of the Qur'an as one of the closest men to the Pharaoh.
Surprisingly the name of Haman is never mentioned in those sections of the Torah pertaining to the life of Moses. However, the mention of Haman can be found in the last chapters of the Old Testament as the helper of a Babylonian king who inflicted many cruelties on the Israelites approximately 1,100 years after Moses.
Some non-Muslims, who claim that the Prophet Mohammed wrote the Qur'an by copying from the Torah and the Bible, also assert that during the process, he transferred some of the subjects related in these books into the Qur'an incorrectly.
The absurdity of these claims was demonstrated only after the Egyptian hieroglyphic alphabet had been deciphered, approximately 200 years ago, and the name "Haman" discovered in the ancient scripts.
Before these discoveries, the writings and inscriptions of ancient Egypt could not be understood. The language of ancient Egypt was hieroglyphic, which survived through the ages. However, with the spread of Christianity and other cultural influences in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD, Egypt forsook its ancient beliefs as well as hieroglyphic writing. The last known example of the use of hieroglyphic writing was an inscription dated 394 AD. Then that language was forgotten, leaving nobody who could read and understand it. And that was the situation until some 200 years ago…
The mystery of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics was solved in 1799 by the discovery of a tablet called the Rosetta Stone dating back to 196 B.C. The importance of this inscription was that it was written in three different forms of writing: Hieroglyphics, demotic (a simplified form of ancient Egyptian hieratic writing) and Greek. With the help of the Greek script, the ancient Egyptian writings were decoded. The translation of the inscription was completed by a Frenchman named Jean-Françoise Champollion. Hence a forgotten language and the events related in it were brought to light. In this way, a great deal of knowledge about the civilization, religion and social life of ancient Egypt became available.
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The result revealed a very important truth. Unlike the false assertion of the opponents of the Qur'an, Haman was a person who lived in Egypt at the time of Moses, who had been close to the Pharaoh, and had been involved in construction work, just as imparted in the Qur'an.
Furthermore, the verse in the Qur'an describing the event where the Pharaoh asked Haman to build a tower is in perfect agreement with this archaeological finding:
"Pharaoh said, 'Council, I do not know of any other god for you apart from Me. Haman, kindle a fire for me over the clay and build me a lofty tower so that perhaps I may be able to climb up to Moses' god! I consider him a blatant liar.'" (Surat al-Kasas: 38)
In conclusion, the existence of the name Haman in the ancient Egyptian inscriptions not only rendered the fabricated claims of the opponents of the Qur'an worthless, but also confirmed one more time the fact that the Qur'an comes from Allah. In a miraculous way, the Qur'an conveys to us historical information that could not have been possessed or understood at the time of the Prophet.
(1) Walter Wreszinski, Aegyptische Inschriften aus dem K.K. Hof Museum in Wien, 1906, J. C. Hinrichs' sche Buchhandlung
(2) Hermann Ranke, Die Ägyptischen Personennamen, Verzeichnis der Namen, Verlag Von J. J. Augustin in Glückstadt, Band I, 1935, Band II, 1952
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12-01-06, 09:43 PM
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Haman is a character whose name is mentioned in the Qur'an, along with the Pharaoh. He is recorded in six different places of the Qur'an as one of the closest men to the Pharaoh.
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The absurdity of these claims was demonstrated only after the Egyptian hieroglyphic alphabet had been deciphered, approximately 200 years ago, and the name "Haman" discovered in the ancient scripts.
Before these discoveries, the writings and inscriptions of ancient Egypt could not be understood. The language of ancient Egypt was hieroglyphic, which survived through the ages. However, with the spread of Christianity and other cultural influences in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD, Egypt forsook its ancient beliefs as well as hieroglyphic writing. The last known example of the use of hieroglyphic writing was an inscription dated 394 AD. Then that language was forgotten, leaving nobody who could read and understand it. And that was the situation until some 200 years ago…
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There have been peoplein Sudan up until at least the mid 1900's that still spoke the language of ancient Egypt, and derivatives there of.One can onlyhope thatIslam hasn't wiped out what is left of the rich ancientEgyptian culture & language. The language wasn't forgotten, it was just hidden from Whites and Arabs due to religious persecution in the name of either Jesus or Allah. If the language was spoken up until relatively recent, what makes you think Muhammed couldn't of got the name from people speaking the Kemetic language in Upper Egypt (present day Sudan)?
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As far as i can remember mohammed didnt visit sudan or egypt. ok say he got this one from them ,then how do you explain all the other extraordinary facts in the quran did he dream these up. It doesnt make sense for the previous people before him to get this fact wrong, eg the christains and jews and then suddenly he comes and corrects them. Also there are also other accuracys about the egyptians in the quran which mohammed couldnt have possibly known.
THE WORD "PHARAOH" IN THE QUR'AN
[align=right]In the Old Testament, the Egyptian ruler during the period of Prophet Ibrahim (as) and Prophet Yusuf (as) are named "Pharaoh." However, this title was actually employed after the eras in which these two Prophets lived. [/align]
While addressing the Egyptian ruler at the time of Prophet Yusuf (as), the word " Al-Malik" in Arabic is used in the Qur'an: It refers to a ruler, king or sultan:
The King said, 'Bring him to me straight away!'… (Qur'an, 12:50)
The ruler of Egypt in the time of the Prophet Musa (as) is referred to as "Pharaoh." This distinction in the Qur'an is not made in the Old and New Testaments nor by Jewish historians. In the Bible, the word "Pharaoh" is used, in every reference to an Egyptian monarch. On the other hand, the Qur'an is far more concise and accurate in the terminology it employs.
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The Encyclopaedia Britannica says that the word "Pharaoh" was a title of respect used from the New Kingdom (beginning with the 18th dynasty; B.C. 1539-1292) until the 22nd dynasty (B.C. 945-730), after which this term of address became the title of the king. Further information on this subject comes from the Academic American Encyclopaedia, which states that the title of Pharaoh began to be used in the New Kingdom.
[align=center]In this way We give you news of what has gone before and We have given you a reminder direct from Us. Those who turn away from it will bear a heavy burden on the Day of Rising.
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As we have seen, the use of the word "Pharaoh" dates from a specific period in history. For that reason, the fact that the Qur'an distinguishes between the different Egyptian titles in different Egyptian eras is yet another proof that the Qur'an is Allah's Word.
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i thought prophet was greek/egyptian and not egyptian
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As far as i can remember mohammed didnt visit sudan or egypt. ok say he got this one from them ,then how do you explain all the other extraordinary facts in the quran did he dream these up. It doesnt make sense for the previous people before him to get this fact wrong, eg the christains and jews and then suddenly he comes and corrects them. Also there are also other accuracys about the egyptians in the quran which mohammed couldnt have possibly known.
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In Kemetic literature, it often talks about the annoyance of the nomadic desert people (i.e. Arabs) who would raid their cattle and such. There were even times when Arabs became part of society to become doctors, judges, and rarely even nobles. For instance, there was a city along the Nile that literally translated to "city of the Lebanon (or the name for the area at the time)," where Arabs were allowed to settle there because of famines and such.
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Another city that found manyArabs and Semitics was a city along the Nile called Mallawi (look it up) in Mtw Neter. Let's break up this Kemetic word into Mal (city of) Lawi (Levi), which transliterates to "City of the Levites." Sound familiar? These citiesdate back to very ancient times (at least 1400 BCE). The Levites are mentioned in the Abrahamic religions.
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Basically what I am saying is that Arabs, as well as all other countries in West Asia absorbed what they could from Egypt. Why do you think so many other Asia cultures worshipped the son? How about the cult of Mithra where the god was born on December 25?...this is because that was the day the Egyptian King was renewed and had his festival every year where all the nations had to pay tribute to Kemet. The significance of this was in Kemetic mythos, Ausar (Osiris) was the 1st Pharaoh, and he was resurrected through his son Herw (Horus) on this day. There are so many thingsthat West Asia borrowed and that leaked into Arab and Muslim culture. I then find it audacious to claim that your god gave you this knowledge.
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There are so many thingsthat West Asia borrowed and that leaked into Arab and Muslim culture. I then find it audacious to claim that your god gave you this knowledge.
No one denying is that all cultures have absorbed one anothers ideas. In the quran it says that every nation was sent a prophet to preach monotheism and mohammed was the last ofof themessengers. Am sure you know the story of the exodus, Moses a levite was sent to the sent to save the chidlren of israel from the tyranny of the pharoah. Later on they started to worship the golden calf which was in fact an idea they imported from egypt.
And for every Ummah (a community or a nation), there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (Qur'ân 10:47)
In the quran we are even told that the body of the pharoah will be preserved over time for later generations as a sign for later generations. The quran has also proved correct on other historical events. In the bible we are told noahs flood was universal whereas in the quran it indicates it was a local flood. If your assumption is correct then the question has to be answered who was the mystery person giving this ideas to prophet mohammed.? Historians have found what he said 1400 years to be correct whereas the bible and other accounts have historical erros. It can make sense for a man who couldnt read or write, who never visited egypt and couldnt read hieroglyphs to be stating facts exactly as they happened. Ifhe had absorbed or borrowed his ideas from other cultures eg egyptians then surely the quran would be proven wrong on these historical events.When a story his passed from generation to generation then obviously people will fabricate it and addthere own versions to the story.The quran challenges mankind to find errors in or it orwrite a book like it. Why would someone who copied hisideas from others run this risk surely he knew he would have been exposed .He describedhow the bottom of the sea looks like to exactly as scientists have found out today using divers and technological equipment, are saying this was also absorbed from other cultures. it wasimpossible for an arab living 1400 years ago to describe the bottom of the sea.So again i ask you how is it possible for him to absorb or copy from other cultures and still remainaccurate on subjects which have only been solved by scientistsin this age using advanced equipment and find no flaws in his accounts?
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No one denying is that all cultures have absorbed one anothers ideas. In the quran it says that every nation was sent a prophet to preach monotheism and mohammed was the last ofof themessengers. Am sure you know the story of the exodus, Moses a levite was sent to the sent to save the chidlren of israel from the tyranny of the pharoah. Later on they started to worship the golden calf which was in fact an idea they imported from egypt.
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First off, the whole exodus story is a crock of ish. If you look at the only possible time all of that could of happened, it would point to the era of Pharaoh Akhenaten. The entire story was fabricated because Akhenaten was forced to flee the Kemetic throne for trying to force one god, the Aten, on all of Egypt. BTW, "Aten" transliterates to the Hebrew "Adonai" whichmeans "my Lord" or "LORD" (in all capitals) inthe Bible...coincidence? I would suggest reading a book by one of your fellow Muslims called Moses and Akhenaten by Ahmed Osman. Of course he isn't going to go into details that would conflict withIslam, but he felt it safe to show that Moses was actually the Pharaoh Akhenaten forced to flee the throne of Egypt with plenty of archaeological evidence to support it.
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Save the children of Israel <g>...what bull ish. If one looks at the physical evidence and take their heads out of the Bible or Qu'ran, then they would see that West Asian kingdoms warned Egypt that the Hebrews were attacking Egypt (in the Tel el-Amarna letters dating to Akhenaten's era). So if anything, the Hebrews would have been prisoners of war.
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East_African wrote: In the quran we are even told that the body of the pharoah will be preserved over time for later generations as a sign for later generations.
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This is more from the crock...every Pharaoh was preserved, which was somethig theentire known worldhad known. So does that prove what is stated in the Qu'ran?..no, the arguement is circular. They say the best place to hide a lie is in between two truths.
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The quran has also proved correct on other historical events. In the bible we are told noahs flood was universal whereas in the quran it indicates it was a local flood. If your assumption is correct then the question has to be answered who was the mystery person giving this ideas to prophet mohammed.?
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Who really cares? I am supposed to believe the word of nomadic desert people writing this stuff in tents about how all the races came from Noah after some flood. This and the false stories about Egypt areenoughthat I really don't care where Mohammed got his mis-information.
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East_African wrote: Ifhe had absorbed or borrowed his ideas from other cultures eg egyptians then surely the quran would be proven wrong on these historical events.
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Here's the problem, there are no real historical events that this is referencing. Only some story made up to support religious idealogies of the time.
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East_African wrote: The quran challenges mankind to find errors in or it orwrite a book like it.
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Your Noah and Exodus stories are errors, because they never happened...only revamped wise-tales and fables.
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Why would someone who copied hisideas from others run this risk surely he knew he would have been exposed.
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Really, and everyone else is so stupid that they thought there work wouldn't be exposed? That is an religiously egotistical comment to make.
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East_African wrote: He describedhow the bottom of the sea looks like to exactly as scientists have found out today using divers and technological equipment, are saying this was also absorbed from other cultures. it wasimpossible for an arab living 1400 years ago to describe the bottom of the sea.So again i ask you how is it possible for him to absorb or copy from other cultures and still remainaccurate on subjects which have only been solved by scientistsin this age using advanced equipment and find no flaws in his accounts?
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Why would your God bother himself to describe such mundane things in the Universe? The Kemetic mythos describes the Universe and our solar systemwith the 9 planets (represented in the Ennead) revolving around the sun, and many other things as well, but I am not going to say God revealed it...the Egyptians were superior mathematicians. Even centuries ago in Europe, scientists were able to estimate the diameter of the Earth with rough accuracy all empirically with the shadow of the Earth on the moon, shadows on Earth, and some crude trigonometry. Did God enlighten them as well?..or is it just one of the things that man keeps doing which unlocks his hidden God-given potential?
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Moses was actually the Pharaoh Akhenaten forced to flee the throne of Egypt with plenty of archaeological evidence to support it.
that certainly is a new one never had that one before
As for the scientific miracles you telling me a man who couldnt read or write living at a time where science was backwards in his region could think of them?
[align=left] H) Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran:
The following are some comments of scientists[suP]1[/suP] on the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran. All of these comments have been taken from the videotape entitled This is the Truth. In this videotape, you can see and hear the scientists while they are giving the follow | |