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Before that I only thought they enslaved races to the east only. I will try to find the artifacts, but it showed people in these colors (NOT THIS PICTURE) of the darkest colored set of 4 (Nubians) enslaved as well as the others. And these were Egyptians explaining their history each time. I never questioned it but it did strike me as quite ODD.
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Yes I can see a present day Egytian explaining that the darker Africans were slaves. But the present day Egyptian is an Arab to all intents. You know what those theiving Arabs are like!!
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Yes there was a long drawn out process of subjagating the blacks of ancient Kemet as with all of North Africa.. This has been stated by African an African American scholars alike. As for the rulers being lighter skinned? Not my interpretation of the paintings I see of Kemet.Yes the Kemtians sometimes took Nubian prisoners of war. And prisoners were made slaves. But African societies and indeed the world always have hadprisoners of war reduced to slavery.. but Kemet was enventually taken over and allowed foreigners to hold power which was the key to their demise. Numerous invasion and the policy of intergration with conqured invaders took its toll. We are talking a period of 1500 + years.
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The English used to put their poor in chains and irons/ and the first slaves of the Americas were often Europeans.Does that mean thatpolitically theydidnt differentiate between Africans and their own?
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Do you have Egyptian blood? The chances are you originate from WEST Africa.
Sorry to interject here but that statement is full of ignorance. As omoshango has stated it is well documented that many of the West African languages and indigenous religions share common traits and have a common source. Where did the West Africans emmigrate from?
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Thoth came to Egypt 54,000 years ago.
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You gowork out what happened inbetween.
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20-01-06, 01:12 PM
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But in the picture I found above they do. In the painting or painting on a piece of flat rock they did. maybe some people in Egypt at the time still were darker and still called themselves Egyptian after the country that they lived.
The same way African Americans are refered to as Americans and not Africans to differentiate their nationality, why would this not occur in ancient Egypt as well?
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When is your drawing dated, and where was it found in Egypt? This is very important, because Europeans will flaunt many so-called Egyptian things that were created after the last of actual Egyptian Pharaohs when the Greeks or Persiansconquerred Egypt (after 600 BCE), or I have seen things produced in the time period when Egypt was known to be occupied by foreign White/Semitic powers (i.e. Hyksos era~1600-1500 BCE, Libyan era ~1000 BCE, etc.), where eventually the Egyptians were regrouping in upper Egypt, Nubia/Sudan, and Ethiopia, and came back with a consolidated force to expel the White occupying forces.
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Basically, I am just curious when and where in Egypt this drawing is dated.
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Before that I only thought they enslaved races to the east only. I will try to find the artifacts, but it showed people in these colors (NOT THIS PICTURE) of the darkest colored set of 4 (Nubians) enslaved as well as the others. And these were Egyptians explaining their history each time. I never questioned it but it did strike me as quite ODD.
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Yes I can see a present day Egytian explaining that the darker Africans were slaves. But the present day Egyptian is an Arab to all intents. You know what those theiving Arabs are like!!
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Yes there was a long drawn out process of subjagating the blacks of ancient Kemet as with all of North Africa.. This has been stated by African an African American scholars alike. As for the rulers being lighter skinned? Not my interpretation of the paintings I see of Kemet.Yes the Kemtians sometimes took Nubian prisoners of war. And prisoners were made slaves. But African societies and indeed the world always have hadprisoners of war reduced to slavery.. but Kemet was enventually taken over and allowed foreigners to hold power which was the key to their demise. Numerous invasion and the policy of intergration with conqured invaders took its toll. We are talking a period of 1500 + years.
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The English used to put their poor in chains and irons/ and the first slaves of the Americas were often Europeans.Does that mean thatpolitically theydidnt differentiate between Africans and their own?
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My point was that around 6000 BC I had no problem with the rulers of Kemet. After the paints that I saw from around 2500 or 2000 BC, I had problems with the rulers of Kemet Egypt from that point on. That is why I said for the past 5,000 years, not since the beginning. I don't see the founders and the rulers for the past 5,000 as one in the same based on their drawings.
Maybe that is why I hold a lot of Morrocans, Egyptians, and Libyans in such contempt on their modern day actions as they explain their past through the same racist tint. I just wish I could show you those pictures that I saw. Maybe you can explain them better but I saw Nubians enslaved as well as others. I just never thought that Egyptians would do such a thing since their country was called land of th blacks. And with me now staying in a town named Memphis on the largest river in the continent with the exhibit near a former slave block where they used to auction us off you can see why I am pissed at the rulers for the last 5,000 years.
Like I said if you have something that can clear up hatred for these period on or at least move it up a couple of thousand years I am fine with that. You know me I am never against learning something new.
Oh man and white people do differentiate between themselves. Rich white people consider themselves the elite and still look at the poorer white people in disgust. They just think of as being even lower but they do differentiate among themselves as well not sure about the UK but here they do.......
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20-01-06, 07:04 PM
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But in the picture I found above they do. In the painting or painting on a piece of flat rock they did. maybe some people in Egypt at the time still were darker and still called themselves Egyptian after the country that they lived.
The same way African Americans are refered to as Americans and not Africans to differentiate their nationality, why would this not occur in ancient Egypt as well?
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When is your drawing dated, and where was it found in Egypt? This is very important, because Europeans will flaunt many so-called Egyptian things that were created after the last of actual Egyptian Pharaohs when the Greeks or Persiansconquerred Egypt (after 600 BCE), or I have seen things produced in the time period when Egypt was known to be occupied by foreign White/Semitic powers (i.e. Hyksos era~1600-1500 BCE, Libyan era ~1000 BCE, etc.), where eventually the Egyptians were regrouping in upper Egypt, Nubia/Sudan, and Ethiopia, and came back with a consolidated force to expel the White occupying forces.
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Basically, I am just curious when and where in Egypt this drawing is dated.
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The periods of paintings I was referring to were between roughly 6000 BC and 2000 BC. Like I have said I am no expert, but from the way everything was portrayed to me and the way it was laid out, I just don't think the whole story is being told or I came away with a twisted view of Egypt in that time period as it seemed to go from us to others.
Just do me a favor and explain this to me. If you prove my thinking wrong, I have no problem with it, I am not an expert, but the drawing made me suspicious that the founders of Kemet and the people who were ruling around 2,000 BC were not one in the same.
I just wish that they had those pictures on the internet....
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20-01-06, 07:29 PM
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The periods of paintings I was referring to were between roughly 6000 BC and 2000 BC. Like I have said I am no expert, but from the way everything was portrayed to me and the way it was laid out, I just don't think the whole story is being told or I came away with a twisted view of Egypt in that time period as it seemed to go from us to others.
Just do me a favor and explain this to me. If you prove my thinking wrong, I have no problem with it, I am not an expert, but the drawing made me suspicious that the founders of Kemet and the people who were ruling around 2,000 BC were not one in the same.
I just wish that they had those pictures on the internet....
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There is probably no way I could prove you wrong right now off the top of my head. The information you are giving just doesn't sound right to me, and conflicts with what I have studied thus far. All I can really do is respect your assessment for right now. What I probably will do is research a bit in my small personal library andcome back laterto start another thread discussion on the ethnic composition of the ancient Egyptians regarding times before and after 2000 BCE.
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I can never get mad at any brotheror sister who comes to their own conclusions, assuming they were impartial to the information they read. Hell, we have a hard enough time getting many of our people to read about their own history, or evenschool books. All I can say is that if you are up to it, we will probably discuss this again after I do some research, whether either of us were right or wrong.
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20-01-06, 07:41 PM
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Do you have Egyptian blood? The chances are you originate from WEST Africa.
Sorry to interject here but that statement is full of ignorance. As omoshango has stated it is well documented that many of the West African languages and indigenous religions share common traits and have a common source. Where did the West Africans emmigrate from?
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Thoth came to Egypt 54,000 years ago.
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I would if I believed Thoth was a real person. He is as real as Jesus Christ. Or Santa.
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20-01-06, 07:41 PM
Well find all that you can because I am really curious about it. I could have come to a wrong conclusion but those pictures just sat with me the wrong way.
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20-01-06, 07:53 PM
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My point was that around 6000 BC I had no problem with the rulers of Kemet. After the paints that I saw from around 2500 or 2000 BC, I had problems with the rulers of Kemet Egypt from that point on. That is why I said for the past 5,000 years, not since the beginning. I don't see the founders and the rulers for the past 5,000 as one in the same based on their drawings.
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Well maybe my chronology is all wrong. Although Western scholars put the start of Kemetian civilisation at around 3000 -4500 BC Ive never seen a picture or indeed an Kemtian artifact/ painting whatever dated 6000BC. Although the fact that their calenda was in full use at the start of their recorded history and their calendar was based on the circa1500 year cycle of Sirius a star would tend to suggest different.. but lets not forget that Kemet was only an extension of an original empire based much further south.
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Maybe that is why I hold a lot of Morrocans, Egyptians, and Libyans in such contempt on their modern day actions as they explain their past through the same racist tint. I just wish I could show you those pictures that I saw. Maybe you can explain them better but I saw Nubians enslaved as well as others. I just never thought that Egyptians would do such a thing since their country was called land of th blacks. And with me now staying in a town named Memphis on the largest river in the continent with the exhibit near a former slave block where they used to auction us off you can see why I am pissed at the rulers for the last 5,000 years.
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Yes the town Memphis was remembered by the Greeks and named thus.
Like I said if you have something that can clear up hatred for these period on or at least move it up a couple of thousand years I am fine with that. You know me I am never against learning something new.
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Read the destruction of Black Civiliasation-- or Egypt Revisted--Ivan Ver Sertima.. that is where I got my info.
Oh man and white people do differentiate between themselves. Rich white people consider themselves the elite and still look at the poorer white people in disgust. They just think of as being even lower but they do differentiate among themselves as well not sure about the UK but here they do.......
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Come on now. All socities differentiate. Thats alame answerMr. Blitz.
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Look at the foreign policy of the US to Canada or any European country..as compared to the policy of the US compared to the rest of your continent. No comparision. Are you telling me that aEuropean American would favour you a black man/ in the field of employment/ politicsover a white Canadian?? Who are they most likely to identify with regardless of class??
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