is it the choice of illusions or the illusion of choice

Red Cyborg · (#1 (**permalink**))

I present to you the pills

Which will you pick?
The red offers you the chance to open your eyes to the world.
The world being the truth.
The blue pill allows you to sleep walk.
sleepwalking being that you can go on believing that everything is ok.
I find myself asking is there an even bigger scale
Are these even choices that I can make?
Am I a tool that can not see that there is no choice.
Do I entirely have the power to choose knowing that God knows my every choice?
If God knows my choice, does that not mean I have no choice.
DOES THAT MEAN i AM PRE-DETERMINED TO MAKE MY CHOICE.
The question becomes is it a choice of illusions or the illusion of choice?

Can any one give any advice or answers?
Reinokid in particular because he has not seen the matrix.

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#2 (**permalink**))

Illusion of choice.

safetyblitz · (#3 (**permalink**))

All I can do is tell you to go the way that feels best to you. Even if that way is wrong to others. Ultimately it is your life. So either way it goes it is the choice of illusions. Don't let anyone religious or nonreligious tell you otherwise......

People will always speak on what is best for them as being best for everyone when no matter what they are Christian, muslim, atheist, or voodoo priestess. Yet from experience I can tell you nothing fits everyone as much as everyone would like their religion or logic to do.

So my best thing to tell you is to study everything and choose for yourself.

HLF · (#4 (**permalink**))

Red Cyborg wrote:

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DOES THAT MEAN i AM PRE-DETERMINED TO MAKE MY CHOICE.
The question becomes is it a choice of illusions or the illusion of choice?

It all depends on the perspective one has been granted to perceive it. From the divine (higher) perspective, there is no choice, everything is pre-determined. Taken from the script of the Matrix, "One knows only what is meant for one to know". From the physical (lower) perspective, one may perceive that one has choice, therefore control over oneself, but that is the illusion. There is no choice, but people choose (by an already pre-determined means) to accept the illusions. There is the illusion of choice in our actions and the illusion of choice within the very system build to control us. Does anyone believe the people had any real choice in the last election? The mass media projected the illusion of choice, but subconsciously we were all very aware.

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Good example of the illusion of choice? Neo. Neo was an anomaly before he knew he was. Neo was predestined tobe THE ONE. It could have been "over" once the Smiths pulled him off thatbuilding ledge, but it was not, Neo's purpose was not fulfilled. Just as the previous ONEs (or anomalies) were created to carry out their purpose unto completion, so was he. He (Neo) and the viewing audience thought that Neo had a choice between the two pills, but he was THE ONE, it was in his nature to be THE ONE.Neo was going to take that red pill if he realized (consciously)it or not. It was a part of his nature to be who he was, living outside of that is not being in tune with the universe nor one's purpose. Another good example to this example is the Spiderman 2 movie. Peter Parker gave up being Spiderman to live a "normal" life. Something was going down and almost automatically he was going to change into his Spidey-suit, but he stopped himself. Everything was bliss, but he was messed up inside becausehe was not in tune with his nature and his purpose. It took for him to experience that for him to understand consciously what his purpose was.

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We even have our prime examples today, black folks living outside of their purpose and ignoring their true nature. We consciously know that something ain't right, but we won't know what's not right unless and when it is our time (and purpose) to know. So Grandpa, Grandma, Mom and Dad all say, "Be Good!" But if you will or not, time will tell;a story plays out to its proper ending. You might have listened or you might not have, but subconsciously you already knew if you would. So some that present you with choices may say, "Choose Wisely." That presenter may or may not already know that you are going to choose what you were going and meant to choose, but it would be no other way.

umbrarchist · (#5 (**permalink**))

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umbrarchist · (#6 (**permalink**))

What if there is a God but S/He does not know everything?

Knows all of physics and chemistry and biology, but does not know every detail about the future. Can estimate what you will do in a given situation with 80 to 99% accuracy, depending. But with 6.5 billion people on the planet and a 1% error on each one that amounts to a lot of unknown.

Who ever proved God knew everything anyway? Another fairy tale?

umbrarchist

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#7 (**permalink**))

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What if there is a God but S/He does not know everything?

Knows all of physics and chemistry and biology, but does not know every detail about the future. Can estimate what you will do in a given situation with 80 to 99% accuracy, depending. But with 6.5 billion people on the planet and a 1% error on each one that amounts to a lot of unknown.

Who ever proved God knew everything anyway? Another fairy tale?

umbrarchist

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I would argue that if an entity having omnipotence and omniscience was real, then it would be logically impossible for it to not know everything...assuming your defining God by these terms.

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
~Epicurus

umbrarchist · (#8 (**permalink**))

Epicurus (341-270 B.C.)

Did Epicurus know about electrons?

Did Epicurus know about the speed of light?

Did Epicurus know about the precession of the orbit of Mercury?

The universe is more complicated then Epicurus could possibly have known. If there is a God, doesn't that mean S/He has to be more complicated the Epicurus could possibly have known?

If the system works on reincarnation doesn't that mean we must try to analyze a much bigger picture than what we see in a single lifetime?

umbrarchist

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#9 (**permalink**))

The Universe will potentially always be more complex than we know at any point in time, until we become gods ourselves...

umbrarchist · (#10 (**permalink**))

That is the objective.

What could be more egotistical than for God to want everyone to be like Him?

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Shemsi en Tehuti · (#11 (**permalink**))

Do you guys really think that when you wake up everyday, you really choose what you are going to do? Your brain is like a really sophistated software program (advanced AI) that determinesthe following outcome based on the presentdata/information.There may be a small subset of what you call"choices," but ifyou could mathematically model your brain neuro-network accurately, you couldfigure outevery decisionsomeone is going to make. Therefore, the outcome is already determined (to an extent), where most of yourdecisionswere notreallychosen at all.

umbrarchist · (#12 (**permalink**))

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Your brain is like  a really sophistated software program (advanced AI) that determines the  following outcome based on the present data/information.

But who decides what information goes in? I started reading sci-fi in grammar school. That is where I found out about agnosticism and atheism. The nuns never said anything about it.

You decide what information to pursue. The internet means you can communicate with people intellectually that you would probably never meet in real space. We can now have global influence on the basis of the information we distribute. I can find stuff on the net I wrote 6 years ago. How many people have read it since then? What did they think? What effect has it had on their thinking since then? Have I taken complete control of their minds? I doubt it, but I got a man to cut up his credit cards. I had no idea he would react that way.

A man in India called it a Manifesto and posted it on his website.

I, Robot, am revolting. Beware human!bighairlol

umbrarchist