Can a Black/African Christian or Muslim honestly embrace their history and believe that the Bible or Qu'ran are the written words of God?..thereby being the unalterable truth?

I am sure people already have a roughidea of mythoughts on this, but this thread ismeant tobetter understand the informed opinions of the Islamic and Christian faithful on the subject. People followingIslam or Christianity...what is your perspective on this?

Please consider when answering that what is taught in the Bible and Qu'ran and that which is physically verifiable in our history greatly contradict each otherat severalcontroversial points.

Here are just a few things that contradict each other thatis written in Nile Valley literature (Kemet, Kush, and Ethiopia) and that written in either theBible or Qu'ran:

-Genesis creation story (Bible, not sure about Qu'ran).

-Global Flood of Noah (Bible, I think Qu'ran infers it as a local flood).

-All races come from Asia, as according to the Noah story; where historical archaeology says all races come from Africa (Bible, and maybe Qu'ran).

-Moses story with a purported Israelite enslavement in Kemet (Qu'ran & Bible).

-Authorship of many books of the Bible (Bible).

-Identity of Hebrew characters such as Moses, Solomon, David, so forth (Qu'ran & Bible).

-Jesus' life and resurrection story (Bible & Qu'ran).

The purpose of this thread is not toargue about anythingmentioned above. These are just examples of things that are written about by our ancestors stating one thing, but your respective holy books say another. Therefore, you choose to believe yourholy book given it is your faith...which is totally understandable.

In an open non-aggressive dialogue, canBlack/African Christians and Muslimsmaintaintheir respectivefaiths and concurrently embrace Black/African history even though they aresignificantly contrary to each other?

Good thread,

quite rarely one starts threads like this here nice one and I hope we will have a constructive conversation, again all about dialogue... blame it on Fukuyama and Huntingdon I will look at it in a different position.let alone those crusade wars and now Terrorism that the west has been associating Muslims world wide much more after 9/11 including Africa which I will concentrate more about.

Firstly, there is the issue of being caught in the crossfire. Africa has been the victim of violent action intended by the terrorists for the United States; Africa has also been a victim of violent action taken by the United States and intended for the terrorists and in order to kill twelve Americans, Middle Eastern terrorists killed about two hundred Kenyans in the streets of Nairobi a few years ago and this was the attack on the US Embassy in Nairobi in 1998 there were also Tanzanian casualties when the US Embassy in Dar es Salaam was targeted at the same time.

On the other hand, Sudan was caught in the crossfire soon after when President Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of an apparently harmless pharmacy near Khartoum (think it was called Al Shifa..hope if i am wrong Soofresh will correct me), President Ronald Reagan before Clinton had ordered the bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi in Libya because Reagan thought the Libyans were responsible for a bomb in a German bar which had killed Americans, violence between Americans and Middle Easterners had been spilling over into Africa for decades – violence from both Middle Easterners and the Americans

More? an unknown number of Africans were killed at the World Trade Center, in New York on September 11, 2001 I would assume Senegalese hawkers, Nigerian investors, Ethiopian or Eritrean drivers or professionals, Ghanaian students, Egyptian and South African tourists and others. Who knows for certain? 9/11 has had other consequences for Africa. The Security Forces of Africa have opened their doors to the United States’the FBI and the CIA, Africa has fewer secrets from the Americans than ever, if Africa ever had any.

I remember FBI reportedly arrived in Tanzania after 9/ 11 with more than 100 Muslim names for interrogation and potential action while up north in Kenya,the authorities there were so eager to please the Americans as they normally do with British or any white people( that country has a massive slave mentality that you could ever think of) that they are tempted to repatriate their own Kenyan citizens to the United States on the slightest encouragement! fortunately the American Embassy in Nairobi is sometimes more cautious at that time and President Moi ( The President of Kenya at that time) marched in sympathy with the victims of 9/ 11 while led to Muslims of Kenya march against the American bombing of Afghanistan

Guess what Moi asked?"Why didn’t the Kenya Muslims march when Nairobi was bombed by terrorists in of 1998?" The Kenyan Muslims turned the tables on their President "Why didn’t President Moi lead a march when Nairobi was bombed in 1998?" anyways to make it short President of Tanzania (Mkapa by then) declared a day of mourning for the victims of September 11 in the United States but his critics in Tanzania retorted that they did not remember a day of public mourning in Tanzania when 800,000 Rwandans were killed in the genocide of 1994 something that most Tanzanians knew would never had happened if Mwalimu (Nyerere were alive)

Africans grieve when Americans are massacred, but do we grieve as much when Africans are massacred?

talk about Africans being caught in between the east and west!

-Amani

Maybe you were right Mez...

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Actually I can believe parts of the bible but not the whole bible. TOOOO many conflicting things in it to take as the absolute word from God and even if it was at one time the absolute word from God then, who says that Man has not changed it to suit him over the years?

If you look at the bible and read it honestly and tried to live by the word the only thing you would be able to do is have sex with your wife on Monday and sleep the rest of your life when you were not to make it into heaven. Personally, I don't think a God would make it this complicated to live while toting around a life law dictionary, maybe you need a hard core Christian to answer this question because I am an extremist to a lot of them and need dousing in holy water. LOL

I think a lot of the writers of the bible did all they could in their day considering the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. So their knowledge of the world was tied to the middle east and the mediteranean.

Overall I don't think it harms us anymore than working for white people, paying mortgage to white people, or living in a country where we are outnumber by white people 10-1.......