Is slavery and colonialism discussed in black churches?

Bredder Tukoma · (#1 (**permalink**))

Is slavery and colonialism discussed in black churches and mosques given that both religions havebeen used for the purpose?

Is it an appropiate setting for such a discussion?

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#2 (**permalink**))

mansamusa wrote:

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Is slavery and colonialism discussed in black churches and mosques given that both religions havebeen used for the purpose?

Is it an appropiate setting for such a discussion?

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I must say, let's be serious here. It is highly unlikely for this type of discussion to exist in these religious centers.

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Think of an adult who has been mentally and physically abused as a child. Their thought process, and many of their actions, have become rather peculiar and counter-productive. Yet such a person is typically unwilling to analyze this past abuse because it exposes the uncomfortable foundations that they have become too comfortable with. Both the these religious and abused persons therefore choose not to discuss such uncomfortably comfortablethings at all. It then draws the logically question, "why am I doing what I doing what I am doing?" Most people would rather not ask that question, especially those who have the tendency of having to be right (like those mentioned above).

Bredder Tukoma · (#3 (**permalink**))

Thoth B3 wrote:

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mansamusa wrote:

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Is slavery and colonialism discussed in black churches and mosques given that both religions havebeen used for the purpose?

Is it an appropiate setting for such a discussion?

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I must say, let's be serious here. It is highly unlikely for this type of discussion to exist in these religious centers.

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Think of an adult who has been mentally and physically abused as a child. Their thought process, and many of their actions, have become rather peculiar and counter-productive. Yet such a person is typically unwilling to analyze this past abuse because it exposes the uncomfortable foundations that they have become too comfortable with. Both the these religious and abused persons therefore choose not to discuss such uncomfortably comfortablethings at all. It then draws the logically question, "why am I doing what I doing what I am doing?" Most people would rather not ask that question, especially those who have the tendency of having to be right (like those mentioned above).

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I hear what your syaing but was not ML a preacher. Surely he must of expressed some of his views in church? The blacks who converted to Islam in the early 20th century ( prior to Malcolm x. Did they not discuss politics within the mosque. Waspolitical freedom only an agenda outside the setting?

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I just wanted to know the extent nowaydays.

DtotheJ · (#4 (**permalink**))

tell me what you think of this link.....

transcrip tof american pbs show called religion and ethics..special episode about the afro centric church..which is the EXCEPTION

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionande...8/feature.html

Bredder Tukoma · (#5 (**permalink**))

DtotheJ wrote:

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tell me what you think of this link.....

transcrip tof american pbs show called religion and ethics..special episode about the afro centric church..which is the EXCEPTION

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionande...8/feature.html

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@DtotheJ

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Now this is what I was talking about. Express thanks for the link D - J. Man even a brother like me who bun Christianity/ that church I have the utmost repect for.A re-interpretation of the religion through their own eyes!!- Community programmes.

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That there sounds like truly a church for the people. If their influence spreads it can only be positive.

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Veeeery interesting bro.. very interesting. Thanks again.

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Somehow I cant imagine that the congregationwould have a white Jesus on their wall.

DtotheJ · (#6 (**permalink**))

no doubt....

I respect other people's religious beleifs.. but I grew up in black church.....and everyine else I grew up with did also..i've taken classes about origins and history of the blakc church in america...

rarely is any type of church history mentioned....in sermons...or any religious history...think the leaders made choice to avoid that tyep of discussion...it would be thorny topic.....black church is rooted in american protestant denominations and that link is rarely ever discussed or the reason why the black church was formed....

in free states....the blacks had to have segregated pews to worship..eventually they wised up and formed thei rown congregations....where they didn't have to be disgraced in the "house of God"

My take, there is lack of scholarship and true teaching in black church in all forms....more emphasis on praise and worship......from my expereinces...

The church profiled in that piece..they studied the history and denied the brand of christianit that the slavemasters introduced to the enslaved people and went to a more direct source..the orthodoxchurch......

make it your own...don't follow someone else's interpretation and world view...

and finally go back and please post that quote from the man who wrote about he baptism process for enslaved people in america...

that white jesus has been burned into our heads for generations

One Zero Seven · (#7 (**permalink**))

mansamusa wrote:

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The blacks who converted to Islam in the early 20th century ( prior to Malcolm x. Did they not discuss politics within the mosque. Waspolitical freedom only an agenda outside the setting?

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Since 1931, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad had been teaching in our Temples/Mosques that our experience through slavery (as well as our people's experience with colonialism world wide)was fulfillment of the prophecies recorded in the Bible about a certain people being taken from their own land and people, held in bondage for more than 400 years, and ultimately delivered from their oppressors by the Hand of God, Himself...the most notable example being the accounts of Moses and the Children of Israel and their Exodus from "Egypt". So, yes, we teach about slavery and colonialism in the Mosques under the Teachings of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, and have done so since 1931.

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He also taught us that these accounts are not "HISTORY"....but "PROPHECY"...written to give guidance to those who would be alive in the time of Fulfillment; so that when we read of Moses and the Children of Israel, we are really reading about US and the one God would choose to lead us out of "captivity".

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Now...to the obvious question...

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RM

Bredder Tukoma · (#8 (**permalink**))

One Zero Seven wrote:

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mansamusa wrote:

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The blacks who converted to Islam in the early 20th century ( prior to Malcolm x. Did they not discuss politics within the mosque. Waspolitical freedom only an agenda outside the setting?

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Since 1931, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad had been teaching in our Temples/Mosques that our experience through slavery (as well as our people's experience with colonialism world wide)was fulfillment of the prophecies recorded in the Bible about a certain people being taken from their own land and people, held in bondage for more than 400 years, and ultimately delivered from their oppressors by the Hand of God, Himself...the most notable example being the accounts of Moses and the Children of Israel and their Exodus from "Egypt". So, yes, we teach about slavery and colonialism in the Mosques under the Teachings of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, and have done so since 1931.

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Interesting. Im sure your astute enough to know that some people would say (me in particular) that this is nothing different from the old plantation sermons in which our position was likened to and quite naturally identified with the fictional story of the plight of the Jews within Egypt. Still it was a factor in a nationalist or black first movement in the states and in the carribean although the Haitian example is a lesson.At the other end of the scale(i.e their world system was still and is 'more African') this was no small factor in the resilienceand ultimate success of their war. If compared to the resistance in Jamaica where someWestern priests were brought in to neutralise the fire inAfricans heart and no doubt succeded in small measure / such a strategy couldnt be used in Haiti. But Im going off at a tangent...

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so the value in such a mindset cannot be ignored.

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I personally think that what that church has done (mentioned in above link) is alot bolder in intrepreting the religion and putting an African complexion on the belief system. I would argue that many within Africa today havent acheived this.

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I suppose the most obvious canditate for the thread would be the Nation of Islam.

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107..do you know of any other Islamic sects that black follow/ that have the same agenda.

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I wonder with the millions of muslims within Africa if this is also the case. BTW Im not here to score points by some reverse psycology but the question genuinely interest me.

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Now...to the obvious question...

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Which is what?

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DtotheJ

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On point bro.

DtotheJ · (#9 (**permalink**))

According to University of Chicago theologian Dwight Hopkins, Christianity was historically used as a tool to oppress blacks.

Dr. DWIGHT HOPKINS (Professor of Theology, University of Chicago): In order for an African or an African American who is enslaved to become a Christian, they have to say this, "Who is your heavenly master? Master Jesus in heaven. Who is your earthly master? Master Smith on the plantation. What color is Jesus? Jesus is a white man just like Master Smith." Literally.