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LadyDay Is right, I was looking for non-biblical facts, books of some sort or links to website that would go into this topic. The video I watched was quite convincing and these young men were fearless.

I recently finished reading the book of Enoch for the first time and in that book, it says that Enoch was a white man , or in the words of the book, white like the angels with reddish skin?.

HLF, is it reasonable to say then that this is accurate ?.

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This is actually unreasonable inaccurate.

First from a biological point of view, white people technically don’t have red skin. Though it may appear red, red is not the color of white people’s flesh, it is the color of the blood that flows through their flesh. The only agent that gives skin actual color is melanin. The pigment range of melanin based on saturation is from black/(to) brown/(to) yellow. In there are two additional colors outside of brown in this color succession, dark or chocolate-colored brown and red. It is much more possible to be consistently brownish-red than just red from being white (no actual skin pigmentation; no melanin). This is a logical statement based on the principle of melanin in reference to the pigmentation of the skin.

Biblically and scientifically, Enoch being white is not sound. Enoch is the seventh generational scion (another word for descendent) of Adam as depicted explicitly in
Gen 5:1-18. The image of man (which was the image of the Supreme God), the word made flesh has not changed since its first conception of Adam. The Supreme God changes not, so it is logical that the image that He created in the likeness of his name would not physically change either. The Supreme God made created man in the image of his divine name, Yahweh. Look at Yahweh’s name in Hebrew: Ex #1.Ex #2. Example #2 is Yahweh’s name written in Hebrew from right to left. If you tilt your head to the right, the name “Yahweh” looks like the figure of a black man, four limbs and the “male member”. Do you think this is a coincidence? Hardly, there are no coincidences! If Enoch was actually white, then logically all of his fathers would be white as well. This would make sense, except for one major issue, but where do the black people get factored in? Melanin is a genetically dominant trait, melanin is in nature and every animal has melanin because it is key to genetic survival and reproduction. One cannot get a black person from a white one, because being “white” is a genetically recessive trait. In nature, as by the example of the plant and animal kingdom, it is not genetically normal to not have melanin. Black people can have children ranging from darkest black to albino (white). That is the proof of who the genetic parent is, black people. As it has been said in comparison, “What came first? The chicken or the egg?” Enoch and all of his forefathers before, also including Enoch’s descendents thereafter, being white would only propagate the lie that being black is a curse. Being black is not a curse, there is scientific evidence that I have provided briefly in this post that being black is a divine genetic blessing. The “races” that we now know of today did not exist until after the existence of Noah and his three sons, Shem, Japheth, Cham and their descendents (illustrated in Gen. 1-7) I think that is a firm enough explanation.

As for the “white angels” I’ll give you a logical question which you can form a logical answer based on what information I have given you. If Yahweh (God) made man (his second major creation, the angels were first) in his image of blackness, why would the angels be exempt from that same principle?


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My mistake, it writes in the book I read, that Noah was white with reddish skin.

Lamech the father of Noah speaks to Enoch regarding this, as though it is a strange occurance ?

I personally don't know what to think of that one.


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There's no truth in the "Book of Enoch". What the Lord left us, the Holy Bible (1611 King James Ed.) is all our people need (Isaiah 34:16).

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Was watching an interesting video with some black brothers on the streets of the UK preaching that Black people from the Caribbean, U.S.A, Panama, Cuba, Red Indians make up the lost house of Israel.

A point he made was that the slave trade was exactly that a trade of slaves. The Africans did not sell their own, but that Africans sold (Hebrews) as they were not their kinsman, to these Europeans. The speaker went on to say this is the biggest kept secret of the slave trade. Hebrews sold for musket rifles etc..

I'm wondering if there is any truth to this and if others can provide further information. I believe that these men belong to the House of David.

They have been locked up several times i hear for saying these things.

More info please, if anyone as any. Not really on the House of David, but more on the Lost House of Israel. Where did they go ?
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Black israelitism is an offshoot of anglo israelitism who claimed that the whites europeans were the lost 10 tribes of israel.

It is all B.S. as far as I am concerned.

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http://www.religioustolerance.org/anglo_is.htm

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http://www.hebrewisraelites.org/
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"Black israelitism is an offshoot of anglo israelitism who claimed that the whites europeans were the lost 10 tribes of israel."

An ignorant statement, considering how the latter group cannot even prove that the Israelites are so-called white people (and have always been) out of the Holy Bible, which destroys their doctrine right there.

Also, the original Anglo-Saxons were Black Israelite Jews ("Anglo-Saxon" means"Angelic sons of Isaac"), but that's another issue.

"It is all B.S. as far as I am concerned."

Good for you.

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar...



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The Jews are Black, Pt. 2

Figured I'd add more to this thread, since I want people to focus on this more. Props to the brother behind this original post... (about to be posted in two parts)



This is another post that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the real Jews are black people.

Moses was an Israelite (Jew) from the Tribe of Levi. (Exodus 2:1-10). In Exodus the second chapter he stood up to help the Daughters of Jethro, and they mistook him for an Egyptian.


Exodus 2:17 And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.
18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?
19 And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.

The Egyptians were Black people, everyone knows that. In order for Moses to be mistaken for an Egyptian he would have to be a black man. If he was white they would have said an edomite hath delivered us. Now you have some ignorant people that say Egyptians look like everybody. If Egyptians look like everybody then there would not be able to identify him as an egyptian because they wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But... I will come back to this point later...

In Exodus the fourth chapter the Lord demonstates the sign of leprosy with Moses.

Exodus 4:6 And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: (in his garment) and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
7 And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.
8 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

This is another scripture that proves Moses was black. When he put his hand into his garment, it TURNED white. Therefore it was not white originally. Then when he took it out it went back to his other color, if he was not white then he would HAVE TO be black. (one of the different shades of brown) When you read in Josephus it says that his hand was turned back as his other "color." Look up the defninition of color, it says "not white."

The second point that you must realize is that this was meant to be a sign. If a person is already white, what is so great about turning your hand white? Why would that make anyone believe God is dealing with you? It doesn't look any different.

Now to further prove that the Jews are Black, Moses had a sister named Miriam, and she was also turned white for speaking against Moses.

Numbers 12:5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

Here is another account of a Jew becoming white, but this time it was a curse from God. But the point is, in order for Miriam to BECOME white, that means originally she was NOT white. This also proves that Moses was black, and the descendants of Levi were black, because Moses was a direct descendant of Levi.
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Now.... to further prove that the Jews are Black, there are laws of the Jews in the Bible about leprosy.

First i want to prove that this law pertains to the Jews ONLY.

Psalms 78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel...

Psalms 147:19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes (laws) and his judgments unto Israel.
20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.


Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law...

So we understand that giving of the laws of the Bible PERTAIN (belong to ) ISRAEL, and no other nation. Now lets examine this law.

Leviticus 13:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying,
2 When a man shall have in the skin of his flesh a rising, a scab, or bright spot, and it be in the skin of his flesh like the plague of leprosy; then he shall be brought unto Aaron the priest, or unto one of his sons the priests:

By this law the priests had to observe the persons body to look for a persons skin to turn white.

Leviticus 13:10 And the priest shall see him: and, behold, if the rising be white in the skin, and it have turned the hair white, and there be quick raw flesh in the rising;
11 It is an old leprosy in the skin of his flesh, and the priest shall pronounce him unclean, and shall not shut him up: for he is unclean.
12 And if a leprosy break out abroad in the skin, and the leprosy cover all the skin of him that hath the plague from his head even to his foot, wheresoever the priest looketh.....

This is a law of the Jews. This law is talking about Jews turning white as Miriam turned white. It says the rising be white and if it SPREADS OUT IN THE SKIN. In order for whiteness to spread out in the skin, then the skin MUST NOT HAVE BEEN WHITE ORIGINALLY. The Jews were and still are black.

Isaiah 29:22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
This means that the Jews would not be Caucasion, or white people. When it says "Jacob" the Bible tells you that means the nation of Israel.

"Isaiah 48:1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel..."

Therefore the Jews as a whole were black and still are black today.



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"In order for whiteness to spread out in the skin, then the skin MUST NOT HAVE BEEN WHITE ORIGINALLY. The Jews were and still are black."

Now if I am wrong. Then i should not be able to find ANY scriptures saying that the Jews are Black.

Job 30:30 My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.

Job is an Israelite. And he is Black. Now for all you simple people who try to say that Job was not an Israelite, here is the proof that he is.

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

ONLY ISRAELITES are the servants of God.

Leviticus 25:55 For unto me the children of Israel are servants;they are my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Now just in case thats not enough, the scripture in the New testaments lets you know ONLY Israel are the Lords servants (even though it is already telling you that here)

Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth (The following belong's to Israel ONLY) the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God...

Its telling you CLEARLY, ONLY Israelites can be God's servants. Job was a servant of God, therefore he was an Israelite. Now....once again, what did Job say about himself?

Job 30:30 My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.


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Perhaps the lost tribes could bethose who are settled in afghanistan and kashmir?Although some kashmiris have totally rejected this idea still it gives another angle!

Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes
Kashmir
by Rabbi Marvin Tokayer

Leaving Afghanistan and P*kistan where the Pathans live, when one goes east, it is the State of Kashmir in northern part of India which is west of Nepal. Kashmir consists of a very wide and beautiful valley, surrounded by tall mountains and I think it is one of the most beautiful places in the world.



There are 5 to 7 million people there. Generally speaking, they have clearer complexions and are different from the other citizens of India. An Interesting tradition is passed down among the Kashmir people regarding their ancestry from the Lost Tribes of Israel. This tradition is supported by extensive literature written by both the people of Kashmir and other scholars.

In Kashmir, various places are called with Israeli names, like Har Nevo, Beit Peor, Pisga, Heshubon. These are all the names in the land of the Ten Tribes of Israel. The same thing is true in the names of people, male names, female names, and names of village.

The people in Kashmir perform a feast called Pasca in Spring, when they adjust the difference of days between the lunar calendar and solar calendar and the way of this adjustment is the same as Jewish. Several books are published on this. The Udu language which is used in Kashmir includes many words of Hebrew.

Most of the people of Kashmir are Muslims. In spite of it, they are sympathetic towards Jews and Israel. It is evident that their origin has also led to their interest in the people of Israel.

The history of the Kashmiris is shrouded in mystery as is the history of other people in that region. Most Kashmir researchers are of the opinion that many inhabitants of Kashmir are descendants of the Lost Tribes who were exiled in 722 BCE. They wandered along the Silk Road into the countries of the East, Persia and Afghanistan until they reached the Kashmir valley and settled there.

Others say the wanderings began approximately 300 years later. The wanderers settled in Kashmir, kept their traditions until they were forced to convert to Islam when the spread of Islam reached the valley. The priest Kitro in his book, the General History of the Mughal Empire, said that the Kashmir people are the descendants of the Israelites.

The traveling Arab historian El Bironi in the 12th century wrote, "In the past, permission to enter Kashmir was given only to Jews."

The priest Monstrat said that in the time of Vasco da Gama in the 15th century, "all the inhabitants of this area who have been living here since ancient times can trace their ancestry, according to their race and customs, to the ancient Israelites. Their features, their general physical appearance, their clothing, their ways of conducting business, all show that they are similar to the ancient Israelites."

Names like Israelites in Kashmir

Recently Mr. Ikbal Chapri, the owner of a houseboat called Haifa (the same name as a big city in Israel) in Srinagar, Kashmir, has written about this topic in the local newspapers.

His article was about the names of the tribes and places of Kashmir which are exactly Hebrew. I have a copy of two pages of the list. For example, one of the tribes of Kashmir is called Asheriya which is Asher, the tribe of Dand is Dan, Gadha is Gad, Lavi is Levi. The Tribe of Shaul is the Hebrew name of King Saul. Musa is Moses, Suliamanish is Solomon. And you also have the tribe of Israel, the tribe of Abri which is the tribe of Hebrew, and the tribe of Kahana which is the word for Jewish priest.

There are also 50-75 names of places in Kashmir which are in fact the Hebrew names that ancient Israelites were very familiar with. There is a place called Samaryah which is Samaria. Mamre is Mamre, Pishgah is Pisgah, Nabudaal is Mt. Nevo, Bushan is Bashan, Gilgit is Gilgal, Heshba is Heshbon, Amunah is Amon, Gochan is Goshen, Median-pura is Midian, and Guzana is Gozan which is a place name in Assyria and the very place where the Ten Tribes of Israel were deported.

The name Israel is very common among them as it is among the Pathans, and this name is never used among the Muslims. They also light a candle for the Sabbath, have sidelocks, beards, and emblem or design of the Shield of David.

In an area which is on the border of P*kistan, called Yusmarg (Handwara), there lives a group which to this very day calls itself B'nei Israel meaning children of Israel. Many of the inhabitants of Kashmir say that this is the ancient name of all the people of Kashmir.

In Kashmir there is a strange tradition of a small community next to the Wallar Link who point out the grave of Moses. There is yet another tradition in connection with King Solomon according to which even King Solomon reached the Kashmir Valley and through his wisdom aided the people of Kashmir by successfully regulating the Jalum river. This tradition is also connected to a place called Solomon's throne which is situated above the capital of Kashmir, Srinagar. Isn't it strange and fascinating that there are historical and even folkloristic tales of ancient Israeli heroes in these strange and exotic places?

These also resemble legends in Japan. There is the grave of Moses in Mt. Houdatsu, Ishikawa prefecture, and a legend says that many secret treasures of Solomon are kept in Mt. Tsurugi in Shikoku, Japan.

The two primary historians of Kashmir, Mulla Nadiri, who wrote The History of Kashmir and Mulla Ahmad who wrote Events of Kashmir have established without a trace of doubt that the origins of the Kashmiri people are to be found in the people of Israel.

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Now....once again, what did Job say about himself?

Job 30:30 My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.



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My God!!! Some African people will do and say anything totry including themselves in what was clearlyan Indo-European/Asiaticnon-African nomadic culture. Truly sad...
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You quote Job using the most egregious translation. Let's look at it in the Hebrew Bible:

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My skin grows black and peels from me. My bones are burned with heat. ~Job 30:30 (HNV)
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and the version declared the most accurate by linguistic scolars (besides the Hebrew version), the New American Standard Bible:

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My skin turns black on me,And my bones burn with fever. ~Job 30:30 (NASB)
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The first thing to note is that you are quoting a verse totally out of context.Job wasn't talking about the natural hue of his skin. He was describing the condition from the boils and sickness he was enduring. But if you want to play this game, then how can a man's skin "turn black" on him, if he is already black? The Bible is clear that his skin was becoming black, growing black, or turning black, due to his afflictions. Why do you have to harp on the word "black" and say, "you see!!! we're in the Bible". My god, have we become this spiritually deficient...


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