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05-04-06, 03:59 AM
The Book of Enoch is not a book of the prophets or anything. It is a bunch of madness. It is not holy or inspired by God. Even though people claim it was found with the dead sea scrolls it is NOT a part of the Bible and should not be read.
#1 ENOCH DID NOT WRITE THE BOOK OF ENOCH.
Genesis 5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Now we have the record of Enoch he was on the earth for 365 years, and the lord took him off. It never made any mention of him writing a book. But lets "suppose" that he did jsut for this circumstance....WHAT ARE YOU ALL NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO!?!?!?!
Genesis 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah,
ENOCH LIVED BEFORE NOAH AND THE FLOOD!
This was not a little tiny bit of rain, mighty drops of rain were falling, and everything that was on the earth DIED. Somebody please tell me how a BOOK would survive through the flood?
Im waiting......
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05-04-06, 04:03 AM
Some additional information, this was not any ordinary flood, all the earth was covered with water.
Genesis 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
It rained on the earth 40 days and 40 nights, and the water was on the earth for 150 days. It also tells you that the water covered the highest mountains. If there was a book of enoch (there wasn't but lets just pretend) it would NOT have made it through this.
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05-04-06, 04:07 AM
#2- If there was a Book of Enoch what was the need for Moses to write the book of Genesis to Deuteronomy? Why did God command to believe the writings of Moses? Why didn't he say to read the book of Enoch?
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Why is Jesus speaking about the writings of Moses instead of Enoch? Its telling you to believe HIS writings. This is also showing you that Moses was the first one to write the book of God. There was no one before him. Why didn't Jesus say you should have believed Moses and Enoch?
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05-04-06, 04:10 AM
#3- WHat they claim to be the lost book of enoch was found in fragments. Little ripped up pieces of paper, how the HELL did that tun into a thick book?
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05-04-06, 04:17 AM
#4 Being that it is not a part of the Bible true followers of the Bible are not supposed to read it.
Ecclesiastes 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
Solomon with all of his wisdom, and the Holy Spirit is telling you that there is NO END to people making up books. From the book of enoch to the gnostics to the Koran, and all these so-called Holy texts, it does not profit. All it does is wear you out and make you tired. What does the BIBLE say to read?
Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, (The Bible not the Book of Enoch) and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate.... NO OTHER BOOK CAN MATCH COPARE OR BE USED WITH THE BIBLE, you are supposed to seek out of the Bible only. Not the book of Enoch.
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05-04-06, 09:54 PM
People actually believe in the Noahic flood??:?...good grief...
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06-04-06, 04:00 AM
John 3:18"... he that believeth not is condemned already..."
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06-04-06, 12:50 PM
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The Book of Enoch is not a book of the prophets or anything. It is a bunch of madness. It is not holy or inspired by God. Even though people claim it was found with the dead sea scrolls it is NOT a part of the Bible and should not be read.
#1 ENOCH DID NOT WRITE THE BOOK OF ENOCH.
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My friend........this book used to be taken as fact and people regarded this book as holy/law before the Counsel of Nicea, this counsel was assembled during the time of Roman Emperor Constantine and they decided on what canon/doctrine should be used for the bible.
Fact: The Bible as you know it was assembled at this point.
The Enoch book was thrown out, along with about 4 dozen others also including the Gospel of Judas(carbon dated etc...), the Book of the Maccabees, this book tells you how much killing was done, killing men/boys and taking the money/women and girls in the name of God. This book wasn't holy but an accurate historical account of what went on.
Best of all, it tells when this was done in history because it uses Alexander the Great as a timeline. ie: 25yrs after Alexander, on the 32nd year etc......
Alot of these missing books gives you an exact timeline. The Bible should be at least 2-3 volumes like it used to be........but lets just settle with the 4 gospels and there are no others eh!
It's easier.
#1 Enoch did not write the book of Enoch.
I think you 'll find the books in the Old/New Testaments are exactly done in the same way, writen by someone else, all of them are insprired, not one book is written by God, lets clear that up!
Same as in the Qur'an, because Mohammed couldn't read or write like many people in those times.
The world's full of them..... and you know it!
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06-04-06, 05:50 PM
Someone likes to play Bible roulet with their posts...
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06-04-06, 08:30 PM
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My friend........this book used to be taken as fact and people regarded this book as holy/law before the Counsel of Nicea, this counsel was assembled during the time of Roman Emperor Constantine and they decided on what canon/doctrine should be used for the bible.
Fact: The Bible as you know it was assembled at this point.
The Enoch book was thrown out, along with about 4 dozen others also including the Gospel of Judas(carbon dated etc...), the Book of the Maccabees, this book tells you how much killing was done, killing men/boys and taking the money/women and girls in the name of God. This book wasn't holy but an accurate historical account of what went on.
Best of all, it tells when this was done in history because it uses Alexander the Great as a timeline. ie: 25yrs after Alexander, on the 32nd year etc......
Alot of these missing books gives you an exact timeline. The Bible should be at least 2-3 volumes like it used to be........but lets just settle with the 4 gospels and there are no others eh!
It's easier.
#1 Enoch did not write the book of Enoch.
I think you 'll find the books in the Old/New Testaments are exactly done in the same way, writen by someone else, all of them are insprired, not one book is written by God, lets clear that up!
Same as in the Qur'an, because Mohammed couldn't read or write like many people in those times.
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I am familiar with the counsel of Nicea, and i am also aware that there people make a tremendous exageration about what was done at that counsel. The books of the Bible were already around, and people made false gospels. The Bishops of the church were gathered the and the false books were burned.The Bible as i know it had previosly been around, that is why the people were able to determine what is what. They were already familiar with it.
secondly, who cares if there were idiots who thought the book of Enoch was holy? The point isthat things is not authentic. Its not mentioned in the bible, and would have been destroyed during the flood. Its CLEARLY made up. Not to mention it contradicts other scriptures in the bible, andGod's word does not contradict itself.
The books I and II Maccabes are a part of the Holy scriptures, they were found in the Apocrypha which was a part of theoriginal King James 1611Bible, and is still in there now.
You said all of that but you didn't prove anything. Im nto going to argue back and forth with you,im going to say it again, Enoch didn't write the book of Enoch, and it is NOT inspred of God.
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06-04-06, 09:46 PM
So you believe Mosheah(Moses) wrote the Torah? If you read these books carefully you will see that he didn't.
And if you are a christian you should only read and believe in what is written in the bible? This is the thought process that made me realize that christianity is not the truth and that the truth had to be found and not brought to me.
Shalom.
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07-04-06, 01:33 AM
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You said all of that but you didn't prove anything. Im nto going to argue back and forth with you,im going to say it again, Enoch didn't write the book of Enoch, and it is NOT inspred of God.
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Point being.... don't shout about Enoch not writing his book, thats clear as day, but you must relise by opening this can of worms Matthews book in your Bible is at least a 2nd hand generation of a story told, but most likely 3rd hand.
There is no Aramaic book of Matthew only a Greek translation.
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Look at the authorship of the Bible it's constructed in the same way as Enoch's book.
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Regarding how a book could survive the flood of Noah, it was massive etc..... jeez!!!
There are stone tablets dating way before the Bible talking about a flood, stone not papyrus not paper, Epics of Gilgamesh, Sumerian flood tablets....and you use how a can a book survive a flood? as one reason to dismiss.
You can find Enochs one for one likeness on Sumerian stone tablets kings list as Enmedaranki or Enmeduranna.
Do you still think it can't survive a flood?
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