Humph, and to think all this time, I've been singing the song of a former slavemaster, that's messed up. I'd evenwanted this song played at my funeral---I don't think so!


As I took a closer look at the words I had an epiphany: This is just further evidence of how we were brainwashed and hand fedlow-key European spirtuality from slaverytime -- which totally lacks African God Consciousness of our true spirutality!



The conception of the hymn “Amazing Grace� is thebrainchild of John Newton who was responsible for writing one of the most beloved hymns of all times.

He was a British man who became a hymn writer and clergyman after several years as a naval midshipman and a slave trader. On a homeward voyage, while sailing his slave ship through a violent storm, he experienced what he referred to later as his “great deliverance.� For the rest of his life he observed the anniversary of May 10 as the day of his conversion, a day of humiliation in which he subjected his will to a higher power.

He was ordained and became a curate at Olney Buckinghamshire. Amazing grace was part of his first publication in 1779.

Amazing grace! (how sweet the sound)
That sav'd a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears reliev'd;
How precious did that grace appear,
The hour I first believ'd!

Thro' many dangers, toils and snares,
I have already come;
'Tis grace has brought me safe thus far,
And grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promis'd good to me,
His word my hope secures;
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.

Yes, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease;
I shall possess, within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.

The earth shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun forbear to shine;
But God, who call'd me here below,
Will be forever mine....

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Theres nothing wrong with Amazing Grace and the writer of it.

At the end of the day, every single man hasa past. Some are even scred to confront it. However the bottom line is, if this man was a slave master and God has changed His life. What is it to do with you?

When Saul was killing out the Christians, he was changed by God and He became Paul. The Apostles didnt look at His past to be with them.

Also when Ananias said that Saul he didnt want to see him. He said he heard how he killed out the people of God, but God said He is a chosen vessel to Him.

Good thing God doesnt look at our past otherwise nobody would respect you.

Born_Again04

there is somethinginherently wrong with swallowing Eurocentric spirituality...!

1. the fruit does not fall far from the tree...

2. the position of aleopardsspots never change, though they may fade in and out....

I am a black person myself but i dont look at History to stir up ratial hatred and wars. If at all you believe in the bible,

Jesus stated that the mercifyl shall obtain mercy and if you forgive you will be forgiven

Theres a quote that states "To forgive is to set a prisoner free and to discover that prisoner was you.

If you hurt or upset people in the past a few years ago,

Would you like them to still remember it and hold you down to it???

Born_Again04

This is important, even though most Christians won't even read it.

Just look at the first verse

Amazing grace! (how sweet the sound)
That sav'd a wretch like me!

The use of the word "wretch" indicates that it was written for Black slaves, for we were seen as wretches. "Wretch" from dictionary.com defines it as:

1. A miserable, unfortunate, or unhappy person.
2. A person regarded as base, mean, or despicable: “a stony adversary, an inhuman wretch� (Shakespeare).

You have never heard Whites denote their common selves as "miserable" or "dispicable", especially during African slavery. This was a term reserved for African slaves, and it would be extremely stupid to think otherwise. How mentally defeated we must have been to recite a song saying save a "wretch like me".

Like HatHeruHotep has cited before, it took over 100 years in the States of beatens, rapes, and murder before we would even say Jesus' name. Now it is in every 3rd sentence we speak, and we (as wretches) need saving...good grief.Excellent thread Fine1952...niceone.gif

I know we won't always agree...

Thanks for sharing this time...Shemsi en Tehuti

Fine1952

I applaud you, blkclapblkclapblkclap

One thing I really appreciate is when members look for the how and why things have happened, this post illustrates another one of the long list of wrongs and misguidedness that has been done in the past.

A basic example could be a white person will see wretched as a throwback from Adam & Eve at the very most, but an African person may see this as "why was I enslaved?"
"because you are a wrech!"

And who told you this? sing it and see what is conjured up in your mind.

Very good spot.

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offtopic.gif definintely offtopic....when you begin to understand why people do things, then you are able to predict even assume what people will do in times to come.

Break the cycle, know why you do it, then change it if needed.

Thank you for sharing--Jay Jay--I appreciate the enlightenment!

@ Fine1952

I think maybe you should start a thread on books for corrective history, because you have contributed some very perceptive and thought-provoking posts...of course this being one of them.

It would be nice to havea thread of some books you recommend, and we all could add to it. Again, thanks for this thread, I was not particularly aware of Amazing Grace.

Whata keen idea,Shemsi en Tehuti!

I hope your PM has been straightened out...!



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